Rye Miles #13621 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 Anyone see the article in Guns of the Old West magazine (fall issue) about the Evans rifle. Interesting read, there still out there and you apparently use .44 mag brass, black powder only of course. I wonder if the Evans is SASS legal??? Rye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yul Lose Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 I've seen a pard shoot one in SASS. It was kind of slow loading compared to a 66, 73 or Marlin. He has also used a Spencer on occasion. He has fun using those old guns. He also has a brace of Merwin Hulberts that he uses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 I seen one for sale at a Cabelas in Minneapolis area. $4,000 plus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crooked River Pete, SASS 43485 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 I used to own one, ridiculously slow to load. It would be a nightmare at the loading table. Might not be legal as the Evans rounds were rifle rounds and never chambered in a pistol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted December 16, 2016 Author Share Posted December 16, 2016 I used to own one, ridiculously slow to load. It would be a nightmare at the loading table. Might not be legal as the Evans rounds were rifle rounds and never chambered in a pistol. No but it will work with .44 mag brass according to the article. I noticed there's no external hammer though, I wonder if that would be a factor?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrel Cody Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 No but it will work with .44 mag brass according to the article. I noticed there's no external hammer though, I wonder if that would be a factor?? Talking about an Evans and maybe some snubbies; you coming back to the Dark Side? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goody, SASS #26190 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 http://www.leverguns.com/articles/blancard/evans.htm Very interesting. In looking at the rule book, the only thing I see that would possibly be against it is the calibre. I agree that using 44 mag would seem to let it in. I would not oppose it's use were I to be the MD where the question was raised. As for whether it is "competitive" I seriously doubt that anyone would chose this design to attempt to be more "competitive". Sometimes folks still do thing simply because they are fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I. M. Crossdraw, SASS# 8321 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 Rye, Why would you want to shoot this rifle, it will be an unfair advantage and it will not be a level playing field. It'll just make you shoot slower than what you are now. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yul Lose Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 http://www.leverguns.com/articles/blancard/evans.htm Very interesting. In looking at the rule book, the only thing I see that would possibly be against it is the calibre. I agree that using 44 mag would seem to let it in. I would not oppose it's use were I to be the MD where the question was raised. As for whether it is "competitive" I seriously doubt that anyone would chose this design to attempt to be more "competitive". Sometimes folks still do thing simply because they are fun. How would you know if the hammer was down on an empty chamber? It has no exposed hammer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 Not legal per SHD ver. 21.8 and every version previously. Should not even be a question: RIFLE REQUIREMENTS Rifles or carbines used in the main and team matches must be original or replicas of lever or slide action rifles manufactured during the period from approximately 1860 until 1899, incorporating a tubular magazine and exposed hammer. Rifles with box magazines may not be used. Certain shooting categories require a specific type of rifle and ammunition to be used. Please see the shooting categories for further information Point out the exposed hammer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trailrider #896 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 To determine if the hammer was down on an empty chamber, you would "just" have to observe the ejection port as you cycle the lever. In the Old Model Evans you would cycle the lever each time you loaded a round, plus cycling until you saw the leading round come up just before it chambered. Since the Old Model held 32 rounds, if you loaded ten, you'd have to load, cycle, load, cycle ten times, then cycle the action 21 times more. A New Model Evams holds 28 rounds, so you'd load and lever for ten rounds, then work the lever ten more times and observe where the first round was on the carrier! A royal pain in the klarn, but interesting to shoot! Not sure about using .44 Mangle-em brass. Have to try it sometime... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 I am certain this has been brought up to the ROC before... or if not, it was ruled on by the WB before there was a ROC. The Evans rifle is not legal as it doesn't meet the simple criteria of having an "exposed hammer". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 I recall several posts here in the wire about people using them at SASS matches. Various methods for loading have been discussed such as using dummy rounds to indicate that the next round is live, or something like that. As far as legality goes, that's where the memory gets a little more fuzzy... I *seem* to recall it being said that it was okay. I absolutely do not remember anyone ever saying there was any objection to one being used on when pards showed up with one. More like a chorus of, "Can I try it?" type comments. But the memory is fuzzy.... I might still like to have one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted December 17, 2016 Author Share Posted December 17, 2016 (edited) Rye, Why would you want to shoot this rifle, it will be an unfair advantage and it will not be a level playing field. It'll just make you shoot slower than what you are now. :lol: I wouldn't shoot it at a match, I wouldn't want to ruin my FAST times. Hey I even beat you on a stage here and there don't ya know???? Like when you mess up!!! I think it would be a cool gun to have, ya know, just to have!!! Edited December 17, 2016 by Rye Miles #13621 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I. M. Crossdraw, SASS# 8321 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Rye Miles #13621, on 16 Dec 2016 - 8:28 PM, said:I wouldn't shoot it at a match, I wouldn't want to ruin my FAST times. Hey I even beat you on a stage here and there don't ya know???? Like when you mess up!!! I think it would be a cool gun to have, ya know, just to have!!! +1. It would be a cool gun to have. If you ever buy one, Ill even load a few rounds of black powder for you. BOOM/FIRE/SMOKE!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trailrider #896 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 (edited) I am certain this has been brought up to the ROC before... or if not, it was ruled on by the WB before there was a ROC. The Evans rifle is not legal as it doesn't meet the simple criteria of having an "exposed hammer". The Evans does indeed have an external hammer. It is located under the action, just forward of the lever. See that thing that looks like the...ah, uh...equipment sack on a bull buffalo? The hammer isn't as prominent, but it is there. It can be lowered manually, one-handed, if you are careful. Whether there is an empty chamber can be determined with the action open. Whether the Evans is the "optimum" CAS rifle or not is up to the individual handloader and shooter! Edited December 17, 2016 by Trailrider #896 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Church Key, SASS # 33713 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 I shot with a guy at the Waldorf, MD club (Potomac Rangers) in the early 2000's who shot an Evans. He was having to have brass custom made at about $3 a pop until Starline started making .44 Super Mag. brass at 39 cents each as .44 Mag. did not work. He had a lot of really neat guns, pair of Colt Bluntlines, etc. Dressed like a RR Engineer and lived in VA. I believe he was a retired Marine. The Evans was really tricky to load and to show clear. Being around it was worth the hassle. At the time, there were a few available in the area for about $700. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Hand Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 I shot with a guy at the Waldorf, MD club (Potomac Rangers) in the early 2000's who shot an Evans. He was having to have brass custom made at about $3 a pop until Starline started making .44 Super Mag. brass at 39 cents each as .44 Mag. did not work. He had a lot of really neat guns, pair of Colt Bluntlines, etc. Dressed like a RR Engineer and lived in VA. I believe he was a retired Marine. The Evans was really tricky to load and to show clear. Being around it was worth the hassle. At the time, there were a few available in the area for about $700. That would have been "Windy Whales" wintered in NC summered up north, retired USMC air traffic control man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheily Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 hi guys I own 3 evans I can tell u anything you want to know about the riflesyes there exposed hammer.445 super mag brass is technically a pistol cal its slightly long .44 evans long was once called a 44-40 extra longloading is tricky the brass has to be crimped and the optimal bullet is healed buffalo arms mould works for some but no all the chambers can be too tight for itthere is a trick to fast loading via the mag but you have to open the lever fully and bring it back about a 1/4 throw and then open it again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Bullweed Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Gotta wonder why the Winchester 1873 is called the 'gun that won the West!' This Evans sounds like a gun that holds more rounds than the average ammo belt, but they are difficult to insert or shoot from the platform provided. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheily Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 well realistically the idea was that more ammo gave greater odds say if the military took it on 10 guys with tactics one shoots while the other reloads Winchester did anything they could to bankrupt there competitors as well its possible the evans was too expensive but not sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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