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Bisley Joe

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Just got a new Rossi 92 in 45 Colt.

Saw another post on this but it's archived. Writing this because it seems crazy that this is still a common issue.

 

The extractor is not working: not ejecting the rounds. At first I thought it was a feeding issue, but what's happening is when I work the lever, the round in the chamber stays in, and of course the next round comes up and jams up the bolt. The first round from the magazine feeds fine.   This was done with live rounds, safety on, pointing down into a wood wall/floor corner with no one on the other side.

 

I'm pretty irritated at this, especially after hearing that this seems to be a very common problem. Can't figure why a business would allow something like this to continue.

 

Loading rounds also seems a bit too difficult, with most cartridges having to be pushed in with another. Maybe some of this is resolvable with a good break-in period, but the ejector is just inexcusable.

 

 

Anyway...

 

I noticed that the extractor sits flush as it should, when moving to the rear, or when on an empty chamber. However, with a round in the chamber, the extractor remains up, as if stuck on the rim of the cartridge. Finger pressure has no effect, but a light tap with my pocket knife makes the extractor drop and engage, ejecting the round.

 

I think I'll order that video from Steves Gunz. Don't really want to send the rifle off, and if that video is as good as people say, it's worth it to do other work on that rifle.

 

Any suggestions are appreciated.

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With the extractor stuck up I’d hose it down with WD-40 with the hope of dislodging any manufacturing debris that might be causing the problem. 

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Thorough cleaning as mentioned and if still a problem, I'd give StevesGunz (512-564-1015) a call and go over with him what he thinks could be the problem.

My guess is either it is still rough from being new (yes, new and rough DO go together... for them) or it is, as Lumpy stated, all fouled up.

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Do you have a different brand of brass?  A friend got a new batch of brass that was thicker in the rim that gave him a similar problem.  Extractor maybe too tight to snap over.     GW

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The video is worth it. When you order the video also order a new ejector spring and a stainless steel follower.

 

As others have said a through cleaning is the first step.  The video will not only show you how to slick up the rifle it will show you how to easily assemble and disassemble the rifle.

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Thank you for the replies! I ordered the video. Will go back and order the spring and follower.

I have three friends that are gonna get the same rifle, but in .357 Magnum, and I'm gonna get one also in .357, so I figure I can help them out by knowing how to slick it up.

 

Other than the issue of the extractor, it is a very nice rifle.

 

Mine is actually the shorty with the 16" barrel and big loop lever. I took of the annoying fake leather strap from the saddle ring, and may remove the saddle ring-not sure. I figure it can serve as a sort of sling hanger if ever I need to walk a long distance with it.

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Just for the sake of discussion:

 

I worked the ejector up and down with a small screwdriver and felt a good resistance from the spring: it snaps back in place with no issues.

Since it stays up only when there's a loaded round, and since the rifle is brand new and never been fired, maybe the claw part of the ejector is not properly cut and so is not clearing the brass rim.

 

I'll find out soon enough, anyway, once I get that DVD and do some work.

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16 minutes ago, Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 said:

Are the rounds reloads?

No.

They are brand new factory loads. And I loaded up a whole magazine and it does this with every single round.

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What you describe is a warranty issue. What does Taurus say?

I would guess you have insufficient clearance for the rim (max .06").

 

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42 minutes ago, Go West said:

What you describe is a warranty issue. What does Taurus say?

I would guess you have insufficient clearance for the rim (max .06").

 

I am going to contact them about it. I just don't really want to send out the rifle.

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1 hour ago, Go West said:

What you describe is a warranty issue. What does Taurus say?

I would guess you have insufficient clearance for the rim (max .06").

 

 

Yes it is but it may be a year or more before Taurus/Rossi returns the rifle.

 

For such an easy fix I'd remove the extractor and fix it with a fine jewlers file. 

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2 hours ago, Bisley Joe said:

No.

They are brand new factory loads. And I loaded up a whole magazine and it does this with every single round.

 

What brand of ammo?

 

Do you have any Starline brass to try?

 

Mic the rim and compare it to the SAAMI spec. 

 

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3 hours ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said:

What happens if the rapidly cycle the action?

Measure the rim thickness of the cartridge and post it up.

What happens if the rapidly cycle the action?

Same thing. I even tried closing the action extra hard. No difference.

 

Measure the rim thickness of the cartridge and post it up.

I'll look for my caliper and do tat later when I get home. Thanks.

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2 hours ago, Sedalia Dave said:

 

Yes it is but it may be a year or more before Taurus/Rossi returns the rifle.

 

For such an easy fix I'd remove the extractor and fix it with a fine jewlers file. 

That's what I was thinking and why I ordered the video. Even if it was a month turnaround I wouldn't want to do that.

 

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2 hours ago, Sedalia Dave said:

 

What brand of ammo?

 

Do you have any Starline brass to try?

 

Mic the rim and compare it to the SAAMI spec. 

 

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What brand of ammo?

Can't recall at the moment. It's not a cowboy load, it's a copper jacketed flat nose that is in a more self defense level. I'll check when I get home. But regardless, I need it to work with anything. This will serve as a truck gun as well.

 

Do you have any Starline brass to try?

Yes. EMpty cartridges at the moment, but I can try that when I get home.

 

Mic the rim and compare it to the SAAMI spec. 

What does "Mic" mean? Measure? I will do that at home and post it.

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This is what I use to do for a living.  The slot in the extractor is slightly miss-cut and is just a couple of thou narrow.  You will still need the DVD showing you how to disassemble and reassemble the action.  Remove the Bolt and remove the extractor.  With two minutes with a small (jewelers ) file, you can open the slot just enough.  Get the "Spring Kit" that tunes the rifle, and while you have it apart you can do a simple "action job" and be amazed by how fast and smooth a '92 can run.  You're also going to "tune" the Extractor just a smidge and tune the Lever Latch.

 

Watch the DVD all the way thru.  Then watch it again.  Then watch it again.  Then "just follow the instructions" :)

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4 minutes ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said:

This is what I use to do for a living.  The slot in the extractor is slightly miss-cut and is just a couple of thou narrow.  You will still need the DVD showing you how to disassemble and reassemble the action.  Remove the Bolt and remove the extractor.  With two minutes with a small (jewelers ) file, you can open the slot just enough.  Get the "Spring Kit" that tunes the rifle, and while you have it apart you can do a simple "action job" and be amazed by how fast and smooth a '92 can run.  You're also going to "tune" the Extractor just a smidge and tune the Lever Latch.

 

Watch the DVD all the way thru.  Then watch it again.  Then watch it again.  Then "just follow the instructions" :)

 

Sounds like a plan! Will do! Thanks!

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I tried a Starline Brass 45 Colt case in the rifle. Same thing: ejector stayed up when over the "loaded" chamber". Didn;t get a chance to measure because I got home late and can;t remember where the caliper is right now, but I think its safe to say that its the ejector that needs a little filing.

Once the DVD gets here, I will work on it.

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1 hour ago, Bisley Joe said:

I tried a Starline Brass 45 Colt case in the rifle. Same thing: ejector stayed up when over the "loaded" chamber". Didn;t get a chance to measure because I got home late and can;t remember where the caliper is right now, but I think its safe to say that its the "extractor" that needs a little filing.

Once the DVD gets here, I will work on it.

The ejector is the part at the bottom front of the bolt with the two little "tails" at the bottom.   #59 in this schematic,  #55 is the extractor (small box in the upper left).  Although this schematic is of the Winchester, the Rossi is close in nearly all details.

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9 hours ago, Bisley Joe said:

I tried a Starline Brass 45 Colt case in the rifle. Same thing: ejector stayed up when over the "loaded" chamber". Didn;t get a chance to measure because I got home late and can;t remember where the caliper is right now, but I think its safe to say that its the ejector that needs a little filing.

Once the DVD gets here, I will work on it.

EXTRACTOR :huh:

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22 hours ago, Bisley Joe said:

I tried a Starline Brass 45 Colt case in the rifle. Same thing: ejector stayed up when over the "loaded" chamber". Didn;t get a chance to measure because I got home late and can;t remember where the caliper is right now, but I think its safe to say that its the extractor that needs a little filing.

Once the DVD gets here, I will work on it.

It could also be the extractor slot in the breech.  It might not be cut deep enough to allow the extractor claw to fall forward of the rim.  With a case fully inserted in the chamber you should be able to see the front edge of the rim in the slot:

 

As you can see the entire extractor relief forward of the rim with the cartridge fully chambered is quite visible.

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On 2/12/2024 at 11:59 PM, Griff said:

The ejector is the part at the bottom front of the bolt with the two little "tails" at the bottom.   #59 in this schematic,  #55 is the extractor (small box in the upper left).  Although this schematic is of the Winchester, the Rossi is close in nearly all details.

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I would say it's the ejector then, #55. This is the part I notice stays up with a chambered round.

I won't know for sure until I get that DVD and look into this.

I thought of sending the rifle back, but don;t want to do that and wait a ridiculous time for it.

 

This is inexcusable for an issue that seems to be very common and that Rossi could easily remedy.

If this is not easily fixed with the DVD and becomes a bigger issue, I will never buy anything Rossi/Taurus again. I have three friends wanting to get this rifle and I told them to hold off until I see what happens. So if this isn't fixed easily, I'll tell them to just go elsewhere for a rifle. I'd rather pay more for a Marlin or a Henry, or a Uberti/Cimarron and have a working rifle than pay less and deal with this ridiculous issue.

 

From what I have read, it is hopefully easily remedied and the rifle easy to slick up. I truly hope this is the case.

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The ejector does not remove the cartridge from the chamber, the EXTRACTOR  does.

The EJECTOR 'kicks' the cartridge out of the receiver, while the EXTRACTOR holds the cartridge case rim against the breechface of the bolt.

You have a EXTRACTOR issue......

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I'd much rather fix it myself (if one is inclined) as opposed to sending it back. You have the delay AND the one I saw that they fixed on a friend's .357 '92 was horrible.

Looked like they bent the extractor up with a pliers and then back down in order to get more tension. TERRIBLE!!! Have anyone but the factory fix it.

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18 minutes ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said:

The ejector does not remove the cartridge from the chamber, the EXTRACTOR  does.

The EJECTOR 'kicks' the cartridge out of the receiver, while the EXTRACTOR holds the cartridge case rim against the breechface of the bolt.

You have a EXTRACTOR issue......

 

Makes sense. Thank you!

 

 

11 minutes ago, The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 said:

I'd much rather fix it myself (if one is inclined) as opposed to sending it back. You have the delay AND the one I saw that they fixed on a friend's .357 '92 was horrible.

Looked like they bent the extractor up with a pliers and then back down in order to get more tension. TERRIBLE!!! Have anyone but the factory fix it.

 

Point taken! Yeah, not gonna risk that PIA for another. I'll see what the DVD helps me do. Thank you!

 

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55 minutes ago, Bisley Joe said:

 

I would say it's the ejector then, #55. This is the part I notice stays up with a chambered round.

I won't know for sure until I get that DVD and look into this.

I thought of sending the rifle back, but don;t want to do that and wait a ridiculous time for it.

 

This is inexcusable for an issue that seems to be very common and that Rossi could easily remedy.

If this is not easily fixed with the DVD and becomes a bigger issue, I will never buy anything Rossi/Taurus again. I have three friends wanting to get this rifle and I told them to hold off until I see what happens. So if this isn't fixed easily, I'll tell them to just go elsewhere for a rifle. I'd rather pay more for a Marlin or a Henry, or a Uberti/Cimarron and have a working rifle than pay less and deal with this ridiculous issue.

 

From what I have read, it is hopefully easily remedied and the rifle easy to slick up. I truly hope this is the case.

Again, #55 is the extractor.  Nomenclature is important, it forms the basis understanding the "what" is under discussion.  I wouldn't give up on all Rossi's just yet, they have been a well-known "project rifle" from the mid 1980's when I bought my first one, as I was warned ahead of time.  Luckily, mine was only rough.  It doesn't matter what you buy, some examples are going to have been built on a Friday or a Monday...  I've seen folks try using a brand-new Marlin and face similar issues... and the dreaded Marlin-jam is not uncommon.  Stick around and you'll soon read of someone complaining about their new Uberti.  (Cimarron, Taylor's & others are only importers).  And while I detest Henry's, they, at least, seem to do a better job than most at quality control... but there's still an odd one that'll slip thru.  And, even when well-fitted, are not quite the equal of a good Marlin or actual Winchester.  

 

Another thing you can do to test the extractor is the feed a round thru the top, but instead of just pushing it into the chamber, actually attempt to hook the rim onto the claw of the extractor, then push it down to retract the ejector and feed it into the chamber.  1st, if the ejector doesn't hook the rim, don't push it into the chamber, you've just proved the extractor hook will need to be filed to fit the rim.  

 

Lastly, once you get the rifle operational, and if you follow the tuning tips in Steve's DVD, you're going to love the smooth light action.  

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8 minutes ago, Griff said:

Again, #55 is the extractor.  Nomenclature is important, it forms the basis understanding the "what" is under discussion.  I wouldn't give up on all Rossi's just yet, they have been a well-known "project rifle" from the mid 1980's when I bought my first one, as I was warned ahead of time.  Luckily, mine was only rough.  It doesn't matter what you buy, some examples are going to have been built on a Friday or a Monday...  I've seen folks try using a brand-new Marlin and face similar issues... and the dreaded Marlin-jam is not uncommon.  Stick around and you'll soon read of someone complaining about their new Uberti.  (Cimarron, Taylor's & others are only importers).  And while I detest Henry's, they, at least, seem to do a better job than most at quality control... but there's still an odd one that'll slip thru.  And, even when well-fitted, are not quite the equal of a good Marlin or actual Winchester.  

 

Another thing you can do to test the extractor is the feed a round thru the top, but instead of just pushing it into the chamber, actually attempt to hook the rim onto the claw of the extractor, then push it down to retract the ejector and feed it into the chamber.  1st, if the ejector doesn't hook the rim, don't push it into the chamber, you've just proved the extractor hook will need to be filed to fit the rim.  

 

Lastly, once you get the rifle operational, and if you follow the tuning tips in Steve's DVD, you're going to love the smooth light action.  

Thanks for the correction!

I hope you're right, and that the DVD makes it easy to make this a good rifle. I do like it.

Thank you!

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I had is same exact issue with a henry 1860 the bolt wasn't going forward far enough for the extractor to catch the case rim. After sending it to henry 4 times they finally replaced all the internals, which did fix the issue. Could be the extractor not being cut right or the bolt it not going forward enough. I hope this gives you a couple ideas to look for.

Slow poke

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35 minutes ago, slow poke gear said:

I had is same exact issue with a henry 1860 the bolt wasn't going forward far enough for the extractor to catch the case rim. After sending it to henry 4 times they finally replaced all the internals, which did fix the issue. Could be the extractor not being cut right or the bolt it not going forward enough. I hope this gives you a couple ideas to look for.

Slow poke

Or, the extractor pin location is off ;)

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