Utah Bob #35998 Posted September 1, 2023 Posted September 1, 2023 While exploring an old abandoned mill in NM. Is it a 45-70 case?
Yul Lose Posted September 1, 2023 Posted September 1, 2023 Looks like a rim fire case, no primer pocket.
Michigan Slim Posted September 1, 2023 Posted September 1, 2023 Looks like one of the old copper cases that separated and made the gun a club.
Rip Snorter Posted September 1, 2023 Posted September 1, 2023 Likely this BENET-PRIMED - A common style of inside-primed car-tridge developed by Col. S.V Benet commander of Frankford Arsenal in the late 1860s. It was used extensively in early U.S. military ammunition. A copper or iron cup was secured inside the head of the case by characteristic crimps. This cup served as an anvil to enable the firing pin to activate the priming mixture and also to reinforce the head of the case.
J-BAR #18287 Posted September 1, 2023 Posted September 1, 2023 Totally guessing here; maybe .56-56 Spencer? Wiki:
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted September 1, 2023 Posted September 1, 2023 Based on its proportions, it looks to me like the .58 Springfield shown in this chart.
Smuteye John SASS#24774 Posted September 1, 2023 Posted September 1, 2023 2 hours ago, Yul Lose said: Looks like a rim fire case, no primer pocket. The Benet priming system has the primer inside the case like that.
Alpo Posted September 1, 2023 Posted September 1, 2023 Whatever it is, it appears to have been a lost cartridge, as opposed to a used piece of brass, since I see no evidence that it's been fired.
Pat Riot Posted September 2, 2023 Posted September 2, 2023 Neat find. It’s amazing that its not corroded. Just guessing here but looking at Slim’s picture could it be #9 the .50-45-400 Cadet?
J-BAR #18287 Posted September 2, 2023 Posted September 2, 2023 I bet it would have been loud in that mine!
Utah Bob #35998 Posted September 2, 2023 Author Posted September 2, 2023 7 hours ago, Rip Snorter said: Likely this BENET-PRIMED - A common style of inside-primed car-tridge developed by Col. S.V Benet commander of Frankford Arsenal in the late 1860s. It was used extensively in early U.S. military ammunition. A copper or iron cup was secured inside the head of the case by characteristic crimps. This cup served as an anvil to enable the firing pin to activate the priming mixture and also to reinforce the head of the case. Bingo. I can see the two holes at the base on the inside! 1 hour ago, J-BAR #18287 said: I bet it would have been loud in that mine! A mill, not a mine
Utah Bob #35998 Posted September 2, 2023 Author Posted September 2, 2023 7 hours ago, J-BAR #18287 said: Totally guessing here; maybe .56-56 Spencer? Wiki: Looks too long for that. And no crimp.
Utah Bob #35998 Posted September 2, 2023 Author Posted September 2, 2023 6 hours ago, Smuteye John SASS#24774 said: The Benet priming system has the primer inside the case like that. One side of the case is very dark after cleaning. It could have been in a fire and detonated. That would explain the lack of any mark from a hammer strike.
Charlie Harley, #14153 Posted September 2, 2023 Posted September 2, 2023 Looks like a good find after a fun day exploring. Happy for you, UB!
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