Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903 Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Captain Bill Burt said: Does this mean I should count you guys in as duelists? Yes, I have 2 of them planned I’ll just have to figure out the 3rd one. Thanks Randy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted December 6, 2022 Author Share Posted December 6, 2022 33 minutes ago, Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903 said: Yes, I have 2 of them planned I’ll just have to figure out the 3rd one. Thanks Randy That's awesome! I'm thinking through what you mentioned...let me process that a bit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted December 6, 2022 Author Share Posted December 6, 2022 (edited) Who's coming (and my best guess of what category they'll be in). 30! Badlands Bob Gunfighter John E. Law Open Little Shyster Junior Iron Cowboy Open Captain Bill Burt Open Shootin Sharyn Ladies Open Palmetto Traveler FC Fretless Gunfighter Fox Creek Stitcher Ladies Open Uncle Ethan Gunfighter Cahawba Kid FC Fast Eddie Silver Senior Justified Bogus Jim Open Yohan Open Saphire Rose Ladies Open Bushrod Open Max Payne Silver Senior Ophelia Payne Lady Silver Senior Tennessee Williams Duelist Mister Badly Gunfighter Diamond Jake Randy Saint Eagle Duelist Preacherman Gunfighter Tennessee Tombstone Gunfighter Whiskey Creek Johnson Gunfighter Lucky Lead Pepper Duelist The OTJ Chickie Winsome High Cotton Kitty LFC Edited December 27, 2022 by Captain Bill Burt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Dan Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 2 hours ago, Captain Bill Burt said: Does this mean I should count you guys in as duelists? I'm going to 2 so far. Gotta talk my better half into signing up for a third... so May B Knott LOL but I'm gonna try. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted December 6, 2022 Author Share Posted December 6, 2022 The suggestion has been made that when calculating rank points we only use participants in the Open, not overall rank points. That would eliminate the variability introduced by different shooters at different matches. For example, if @Tennessee williamswas ranked 12th overall at TN State, but was the top Magnificent Seven shooter then he would be ranked #1 in the Open for TN State. Thoughts....? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tennessee williams Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 34 minutes ago, Captain Bill Burt said: The suggestion has been made that when calculating rank points we only use participants in the Open, not overall rank points. That would eliminate the variability introduced by different shooters at different matches. For example, if @Tennessee williamswas ranked 12th overall at TN State, but was the top Magnificent Seven shooter then he would be ranked #1 in the Open for TN State. Thoughts....? That makes sense to me. Question. Since we would be dealing with rank points, would it matter that TNState is a 12 stage match and the others are 10 stage matches? To me, it shouldn't matter since we are going by overall match placement to get the rank point and not adding up each individual stage to get the rank point. Correct or naw? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted December 6, 2022 Author Share Posted December 6, 2022 I think you're right. It shouldn't matter. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond Jake Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Tennessee williams said: ...we are going by overall match placement to get the rank point and not adding up each individual stage to get the rank point. Correct or naw? I'd think that's the way for overall award, but the category award should be the rank in category from the state matches. Top Frontier Cartridge might be 25th overall rank at Tennessee but 12th at Alabama. (For example). Edited December 6, 2022 by Diamond Jake 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond Jake Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 20 hours ago, BushRod Jones said: I’m in and rounding up some more from GRG. Bushrod I'm convinced. Check will be in the mail soon. Bill, I plan to shoot my state matches as Silver Senior Frontier Cartridge (or FC if not enough age based entrants) so plan on me for same category in MAG7. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted December 6, 2022 Author Share Posted December 6, 2022 35 minutes ago, Diamond Jake said: I'm convinced. Check will be in the mail soon. Bill, I plan to shoot my state matches as Silver Senior Frontier Cartridge (or FC if not enough age based entrants) so plan on me for same category in MAG7. Glad you're in! I'm not sure we'll have enough to rank within categories, still cogitating on that whole approach. So, if you're shooting Silver Senior Frontier Cartridge your options are 1. Open, 2. Frontier Cartridge, or 3. Silver Senior Open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tennessee williams Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Diamond Jake said: I'd think that's the way for overall award, but the category award should be the rank in category from the state matches. Top Frontier Cartridge might be 25th overall rank at Tennessee but 12th at Alabama. (For example). That doesn't work by my math but I've been wrong before. To me, it would almost have to be 2 scores for each M7(my nomenclature for magnificent 7). Example: Randy St Eagle finishes 7th overall at TN State which happens to be 1st overall for M7 participants. He gets 1 rank point for duelist category and seperately gets 1 rank point toward the overall. Dr Pincussion finishes 221st at TN State and happens to be TN states FC Champion so is 1st in FC category. He gets 1 rank point for FC category. He happens to be 37th ranked M7 participant so gets 37 rank points toward the overall. Or is that what you were saying? Squirrel! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preacherman Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Hey, I'm in!! How do we do it? The "application" can't be opened. Thanks, Preacherman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond Jake Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Tennessee williams said: Example: Randy St Eagle finishes 7th overall at TN State which happens to be 1st overall for M7 participants. He gets 1 rank point for duelist category and seperately gets 1 rank point toward the overall. Dr Pincussion finishes 221st at TN State and happens to be TN states FC Champion so is 1st in FC category. He gets 1 rank point for FC category. He happens to be 37th ranked M7 participant so gets 37 rank points toward the overall. Or is that what you were saying? Squirrel! Well, first off, no way is Randy finishing way down at 7th at TN State. He will be in top 5. But yeah, I guess the rest of your explanation is what I was figuring. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 5 hours ago, Captain Bill Burt said: The suggestion has been made that when calculating rank points we only use participants in the Open, not overall rank points. That would eliminate the variability introduced by different shooters at different matches. For example, if @Tennessee williamswas ranked 12th overall at TN State, but was the top Magnificent Seven shooter then he would be ranked #1 in the Open for TN State. Thoughts....? I feel like it’s the only way to keep non-M7 shooters from skewing the results. Overall shooters could be a lot more at some State Matches than others. So if we used Overall Rank and if Tennessee was the Top M7 shooter at one match but 20th overall out of 220 shooters and I the 10th M7 shooter and 15th Overall at a match with 100 shooters I would be ahead of him. That wouldn’t be right! Just like homeless Jimmy on the radio, “that’s my opinion and it ought to be yours!” Randy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted December 7, 2022 Author Share Posted December 7, 2022 4 hours ago, Diamond Jake said: I'd think that's the way for overall award, but the category award should be the rank in category from the state matches. Top Frontier Cartridge might be 25th overall rank at Tennessee but 12th at Alabama. (For example). Hmm. 2 hours ago, Tennessee williams said: That doesn't work by my math but I've been wrong before. To me, it would almost have to be 2 scores for each M7(my nomenclature for magnificent 7). Example: Randy St Eagle finishes 7th overall at TN State which happens to be 1st overall for M7 participants. He gets 1 rank point for duelist category and seperately gets 1 rank point toward the overall. Dr Pincussion finishes 221st at TN State and happens to be TN states FC Champion so is 1st in FC category. He gets 1 rank point for FC category. He happens to be 37th ranked M7 participant so gets 37 rank points toward the overall. Or is that what you were saying? Squirrel! Again hmm. So, I'm not the sharpest tack in the box, but I tend to know when I hear good ideas. So, for the Overall buckles - Open, Ladies Open, Silver Senior Open and Ladies Silver Senior Open. we'll use everyone's Overall M7 (thank you TW) State Match Rankings. For categories we'll use M7 State Match category rankings. I'll post all the numbers as the State Matches post their scores, so everyone will know where they stand after each match. Keep in mind, higher scores could drop off as people exceed three matches and start to drop their worst results. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted December 7, 2022 Author Share Posted December 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Preacherman said: Hey, I'm in!! How do we do it? The "application" can't be opened. Thanks, Preacherman That's great! Sorry it won't open for you. PM me your email address and I'll send you a copy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cahawbakid Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Wow, this is going to be fun. I didn’t think I could have more fun than I’ve had for the last 20 years. Looks like I was wrong Yes BB I will be shooting FC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond Jake Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 Any thoughts on tie breakers? It's possible one guy could be top M7 shooter at three matches (say Mississippi, Kentucky, and Tennessee), and someone else be top M7 shooter in three other matches (Florida, South Carolina, Alabama), neither of them shooting the same matches. Maybe rank the state matches based on the number of M7 participants, and in the unlikely event of a tie, the tie breaker would be based on winning matches with more M7 participants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted December 8, 2022 Author Share Posted December 8, 2022 43 minutes ago, Diamond Jake said: Any thoughts on tie breakers? It's possible one guy could be top M7 shooter at three matches (say Mississippi, Kentucky, and Tennessee), and someone else be top M7 shooter in three other matches (Florida, South Carolina, Alabama), neither of them shooting the same matches. Maybe rank the state matches based on the number of M7 participants, and in the unlikely event of a tie, the tie breaker would be based on winning matches with more M7 participants. The plan right now is to use total time for three best matches as the tie breaker. It’s easy to calculate and transparent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fretless Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Diamond Jake said: Any thoughts on tie breakers? It's possible one guy could be top M7 shooter at three matches (say Mississippi, Kentucky, and Tennessee), and someone else be top M7 shooter in three other matches (Florida, South Carolina, Alabama), neither of them shooting the same matches. Maybe rank the state matches based on the number of M7 participants, and in the unlikely event of a tie, the tie breaker would be based on winning matches with more M7 participants. If my memory serves, in other sports I've been involved with using cumulative rank scoring, you earned a point for each person that finished behind you. That's similar to what @Diamond Jakeis asking about. Shooters that attend more than 3 matches would drop their lowest scores (least points earned in single matches). A tie would still be possible, but less likely. Edited to add: This is a terrible idea. We should not do this. Edited December 8, 2022 by Fretless Adding to the post 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fretless Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 14 minutes ago, Captain Bill Burt said: The plan right now is to use total time for three best matches as the tie breaker. It’s easy to calculate and transparent. If one of the three matches has more stages would you drop the slowest extra stages, or use average stage time instead? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 13 minutes ago, Fretless said: use average stage time instead? Good Idea Really wish I could make 3 matches but two is all my vacation time will allow. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted December 8, 2022 Author Share Posted December 8, 2022 33 minutes ago, Fretless said: If one of the three matches has more stages would you drop the slowest extra stages, or use average stage time instead? Average Time times 10. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted December 8, 2022 Author Share Posted December 8, 2022 (edited) I received a suggestion that in the event of a tie, compare the two shooter's best single match M7 ranks, if that doesn't settle it, compare their second best M7 ranks. They don't have to be the same matches. Edited December 8, 2022 by Captain Bill Burt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond Jake Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 1 hour ago, Captain Bill Burt said: I received a suggestion that in the event of a tie, compare the two shooter's best single match M7 ranks, if that doesn't settle it, compare their second best M7 ranks. They don't have to be the same matches. Whatever is easiest and fairest for you to compute. You're doing a heck of a lot on this and it's appreciated. I just brought up the tie scenario so that you can have it in the rules before the first match. Then no one has a cause for complaint. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Badly Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 6 hours ago, Diamond Jake said: in the unlikely event of a tie, the tie breaker would be a paintball duel. Fixed it for you Jake 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Dan Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 Tie breaker... how about a shootoff at the Cemetery at Wartrace 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted December 8, 2022 Author Share Posted December 8, 2022 9 hours ago, Sedalia Dave said: Good Idea Really wish I could make 3 matches but two is all my vacation time will allow. If you shot the last three you would need 16 days, 18 if you allowed for a day's travel each way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tennessee williams Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 13 hours ago, Captain Bill Burt said: Average Time times 10. There could be some that would say a 12 stage match would hold a bit more "weight" for lack of a better term. Only in regards to holding the stage average down purely because of there being more stages. More stages, higher percent chance of a fubar. I don't know how someone would ever be able to remove the 2 worst stages and ever be able to keep it straight though. Just something to kick around. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted December 9, 2022 Author Share Posted December 9, 2022 I'm definitely cogitating! It should be fun. I'm hoping to make at least 5 of the 7 matches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tn Tombstone Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 Well, I am talking to Whiskey Creek about giving this a try. Put us down for a run at the GF. I have been chasing Evil Bob for years. How about some other Outlaws. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted December 9, 2022 Author Share Posted December 9, 2022 3 hours ago, Tn Tombstone said: Well, I am talking to Whiskey Creek about giving this a try. Put us down for a run at the GF. I have been chasing Evil Bob for years. How about some other Outlaws. That's great news! I've put you both on the who's coming list. Hope to see you at Ocoee next month. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Badly Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 I was already planning on Kentucky, Alabama and Tennessee State. Hoping to get to Ides, Bushwhack, and Georgia State. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Payne Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 On 12/6/2022 at 11:43 AM, Max Payne said: I know I can beat Yohan. I beat him by at least one-half second 51% of the times we shoot together! Yohan must be asleep! I know he won't let me get away with this! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted December 9, 2022 Author Share Posted December 9, 2022 54 minutes ago, Max Payne said: Yohan must be asleep! I know he won't let me get away with this! Throw in the @Yohan and you might get his attention. I'm not sure you can beat him though. He's always talking about whoopin up on you, and me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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