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A good friend of mine has an older Springfield Arms SxS shotgun that the fore-end is missing.  The gun has sentimental value so he's trying to find someone to make it.  He can't find a model name/number only mark besides brand is "proof tested 12 GA".  

 

Anyone know someone that can make this?

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1 hour ago, Tequila Shooter said:

A good friend of mine has an older Springfield Arms SxS shotgun that the fore-end is missing.  The gun has sentimental value so he's trying to find someone to make it.  He can't find a model name/number only mark besides brand is "proof tested 12 GA".  

 

Anyone know someone that can make this?

You will need all the hardware that holds the wood to the gun. Without that you can't even begin.

 

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2 minutes ago, Ace_of_Hearts said:

You will need all the hardware that holds the wood to the gun. Without that you can't even begin.

 

 

Nettle in a Kansas wheat field.  I have a more than a dozen old doubles and it's impossible to exchange the forend from one to another even same brand and model. 

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6 hours ago, Tequila Shooter said:

Anyone know someone that can make this?

 

Lonnie at Run-N-Iron does some amazing restorations of sentimental old pieces.  

http://www.runniron.com/index_cowboy.html

 

Such work will probably amaze your friend when the bill is brought out, too.    :lol:

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If it is just going to be a wall hanger, take any old forend and glue it on.  If he wants it functional, then what they ^^^ said.

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BTT

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the metal work is the hard part...

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Sir 

 

  with out having it in hand , or a set of pics with dims , it is all but inpossable to guess what is needed 

if you could find an older smith , with a big parts stash , there might be a chance to come up with the forend iron 

at this point , there is NO way to help , not enough info , to even make a "WAG" (wild a@@ guess) 

Hate to be the berarer of BAD news , but it is what it is 

 

  Chickasaw 

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11 minutes ago, Chickasaw Bill SASS #70001 said:

Sir 

 

  with out having it in hand , or a set of pics with dims , it is all but inpossable to guess what is needed 

if you could find an older smith , with a big parts stash , there might be a chance to come up with the forend iron 

at this point , there is NO way to help , not enough info , to even make a "WAG" (wild a@@ guess) 

Hate to be the berarer of BAD news , but it is what it is 

 

  Chickasaw 

 

Thanks Chickasaw,  I asked him to send me a couple of pictures, this is what he sent me.  It looks like the metal is there but the wood is missing.  Hope this helps.

 

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Well, you have about half the fore end iron.  The latch part that embeds into the wood is missing. 

 

Good luck, GJ

 

 

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without dims , I would guess a 311 or a 5100 fore end wood could be ADAPTED to fit 

 

 it will require hand fitting , and a bit of luck , the other option is to make one from scratch 

 

 it will NOT be cheap due to the amount of time needed to do it right , as to matching the grain , to the stock , it would very hard 

 

 looked in my little parts stash , NO joy , best bet it hit flEa bay , and hope there is something at a reasonable cost 

 

 having done a couple from scratch , I DON'T want to do it again , real PITA  

 

 having the froe end iron , helps you a great deal 

 

 hope this is of help 

 

 Chickasaw 

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1 hour ago, Tequila Shooter said:

 

Thanks Chickasaw,  I asked him to send me a couple of pictures, this is what he sent me.  It looks like the metal is there but the wood is missing.  Hope this helps.

 

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You got the hard to get part.  

 

Maybe send good pictures to Bryan Macon of Macon gun stocks and he can march a roughed out forend.

 

https://www.macongunstocks.com/

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Thanks Pards!  @Garrison Joe, SASS #60708, I didn't even think about the parts that are supposed to be on the fore-end.  @Chickasaw Bill SASS #70001 I think you're 100% right about the PITA, and I know that he doesn't have the patience or the time to make one himself.  @Warden Callaway thanks for the link I'll send it to him today.

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IF you get a fore arm , fit the wood to the steel you have , as the iron , will most likely be different 

 I think  the 311 /5100 is a snap type fore arm , and it looks like there is enough there to make it hold together 

 

 CB 

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3 hours ago, Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 said:

Well, you have about half the fore end iron.  The latch part that embeds into the wood is missing. 

 

Good luck, GJ

 

 

Looks like its there to me Joe. I think even the screws that go into the wood are there.

kR

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34 minutes ago, Kid Rich said:

Looks like its there to me Joe. I think even the screws that go into the wood are there.

kR

I think Joe is correct.  The piece that releases the forearm seems to be missing.

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11 minutes ago, Tex Jones, SASS 2263 said:

I think Joe is correct.  The piece that releases the forearm seems to be missing.

Some of them are spring loaded and do not have anything to press, just pull down on the forearm.

kR

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I think Joe is correct.

No, looking as closely as I can at the photos, I believe this Springfield is one of the models of side-by-sides that has a Baker type "snap-on" forearm with no latch on the external surface of the forearm.  (This type of latch can surprise the owner with how strongly it snaps closed.   A lot of original wooden forearms were broken by forgetting to keep a set of finger tips where they would cushion the speed of the forearm closing up.   Maybe that's where the wood on this one went....)

 

This looks real similar to a Stevens 315.   Springfield was a low-price subsidary of Stevens at the time this was made, most likely.   And the Springfield production shared model numbers with the equivalent Stevens guns.  So, if you needed parts, I would look first for a Stevens 315.  That model was made from about 1910 to 1960, in fairly large numbers, so it may be possible to find parts.   Numrich, though, does not have forearm wood in stock for the 12 gauge 315.

 

Here's a video of one taken down and reassembled.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OImgfuEGNas

 

Here's a Stevens 315 schematic that shows there is no real LATCH part, just the hardware that is still attached to the gun. 

https://www.gunpartscorp.com/gun-manufacturer/savstevspgfld/shotguns-sav/315

 

And some history on the production dates for the Model 315

https://projectupland.com/shotguns-and-shooting/the-stevens-315-side-by-side-shotgun-history-cost-and-use-2/

 

If you become SURE that this is a Model 315, here's a forearm and iron parts for 12 gauge on EBay.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Savage-STEVENS-315-5100-311-12-G-Shotgun-COMPLETE-FOREND-Stock-Vintage-Gun-Part/202970102383?hash=item2f41f5fa6f:g:F64AAOSwN8JenOZq

Bidding ends in 5 days.

 

And, you will probably want to fit the forearm properly.   Larry Potterfield (Midway)  shows how it is done on a very similar Remington 1900.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_gI3WX6Uww

 

Good luck, GJ

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@Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 THANKS!  you really went above and beyond.  I'll relay everything to him.  Also @Kid Rich and @Tex Jones, SASS 2263 thanks guys for the extra info.

I thought I'd come to the right place for information, you guys rock.

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1 hour ago, Kid Rich said:

Some of them are spring loaded and do not have anything to press, just pull down on the forearm.

kR

 

Since this one does not have wood,  you'll likely have to take something like a screwdriver and pry up on the forward end. A 1/2" or so and the spring latch will overcenter and the bracket will pop off. 

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I just found this place, which you can contact/send pics to:  Bob's Gun Shop: gunparts@hsnp.com.  No tel #.  Mail address: P.O. Box 200, Royal, AR 71968.  He lists hundreds of parts including Stevens/Springfield.

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40 minutes ago, Tex Jones, SASS 2263 said:

I just found this place, which you can contact/send pics to:  Bob's Gun Shop: gunparts@hsnp.com.  No tel #.  Mail address: P.O. Box 200, Royal, AR 71968.  He lists hundreds of parts including Stevens/Springfield.

 

Yep, Bob's sometimes can find a part. A one man operation, sometimes I get an answer from him in a week, other times longer.  Haven't found a part that I needed one time after several tries, even though his online catalog hints he has 'em.

http://www.gun-parts.com

 

Jack First has a good supply of older parts. 

https://jack-first-gun-parts.myshopify.com/

 

Sometimes Granpa's Gun Parts can come through, especially military stuff. 

https://www.granpasgunparts.com

 

Numrich/Gun Parts Corporation is hit or miss anymore.  They seem to have sold all their surplus or bought-out-old-stock and manufacturers' parts and now have to buy and dismantle guns to get parts to sell, so sometimes they have stuff and sometimes not.

http://www.gunpartscorp.com/

 

GJ

 

 

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This has been an amazing thread.  I couldn't even tell what I was looking at in the pictures, but you guys realized right away that the fore end had rotted off.  I was assuming it was lost. 

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Whether it rotted or the wood just split and fell off is unknown.

Someone has to sit at a bench and hand make one to fit. Not difficult but time consuming.

 

 

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49 minutes ago, Ramblin Gambler said:

This has been an amazing thread.  I couldn't even tell what I was looking at in the pictures, but you guys realized right away that the fore end had rotted off.  I was assuming it was lost. 

 

I'm assuming the same thing.  From what my friend told me was that the SG was that way when his father in law passed away, he doesn't know what happened to it either.  I'm thinking that he's doing this for his wife, she was very close to her Dad.

And I agree with you the guys on this forum are incredible.

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Why not check with Numrich Gun Parts and see if they have an original one?

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Why not check with Numrich Gun Parts and see if they have an original one?

As written earlier,

Numrich, though, does not have forearm wood in stock for the 12 gauge 315.

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I have this old forearm that looks similar, was with parts from a Belgium shotgun marked "A. Richard".  I can measure it if you think it may work.  Price is right, just cover the shipping. 

 

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6 hours ago, J.S. Sooner, SASS #73526 said:

I have this old forearm that looks similar, was with parts from a Belgium shotgun marked "A. Richard".  I can measure it if you think it may work.  Price is right, just cover the shipping. 

 

 

 

 

thanks JS, I emailed him at 0330 hrs with the post.  I'll follow up with him and let you know.  Thanks for being a good Pard.

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