Smokin' Dave Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 Shooting a H&R Buffalo Classic in 45/70.....I was wanting to know your favorite loads using either Black MZ or Trail Boss. Will be shooting at 100 yards with a 405 gr bullet. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 Did I just hear that Black MZ was discontinued? If so, and you want to shoot that, better stock it in. Good luck, GJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster Ron Wayne Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 Did I just hear that Black MZ was discontinued? If so, and you want to shoot that, better stock it in. Good luck, GJ I read the same thing . But so far we still have APP. I personally think Trail Boss is just over priced. I Wont buy it . Just Sayin. Rooster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Wheeler Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 My favorite 45/70 load is a 405 LRNFP over 13 grains of Trail Boss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCandless Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Trail Boss is an excellent powder, especially for someone new to reloading. It has saved a lot of people from accidentally double-charging the case, which on the whole, is a pretty good reason to use it. My load is 12.5gr Load just a few and see how it does with your rifle, you can adjust the load up or down to suit. Black MZ is a citrus-based BP substitute, and Trail Boss is smokeless, so two completely different loading techniques Black MZ load as you would BP, I do 55gr by volume. For greatest consistency, you can weigh that 55gr (vol), [if I remember right it came to about 49gr by wt. but check it yourself to be sure]. Clean it once you get the rifle home, as the salts do capture moisture and corrode. (Nowhere near as bad as Pyrodex!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokin' Dave Posted December 8, 2019 Author Share Posted December 8, 2019 Yes sir....I know it's 2 different powders. Just wanted to mess around and try something new. I usually load 4198 in my 45/70. Wanted to compare grouping with the 3 powders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Lake Kid, SASS # 51474 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 I use TB in my .45-70, with excellent accuracy and pleasant to experience recoil. I'm running 350 grain lead bullets over a charge of 15.5 gr of TB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward R S Canby, SASS#59971 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Try a Walters Wad (a vegetable fiber disk) between the MZ and the bullet. My Buffalo Classic would not group without one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Foot Johnson Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Alliant's data used to say not to go below 49 grains BMZ (weight) with a 405 grain bullet in .45-70. Forty nine was just a teeny bit shy of 100% load density for me, so I bumped it up to 50 with excellent results downrange. I emailed Alliant this past summer, and asked about BMZ being discontinued. The reply was it had actually been discontinued last year, and won't be coming back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Gardner Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Use a 300 gr. gas checked bullet and 17 gr. of Trail Boss every EZ to shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOUTH-PACIFIC,SASS #59402 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 have a 420 lrn over 13g of tb at 100yrds shoots great weigh powder on scales Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruff Kut Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 13 grains TB under a 405 is just a sweet 45/70 load at 100 yards. Almost no recoil, and I get good accuracy out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major General Shagnasty Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 I use 68gr of black MZ under a 520 gr. 4 groove Lyman Speer point compressed with a .020 veggie wad. Match's the buffalo hunters load and is dead on the X at 225 yards. Kicks like a mule out of a 34 inch Quigly down under, but every one at the range stops and watches the smoke and fire. ;~). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lead Monger Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Good 45-70 load. Starline case, Fed 215 primer, Lee 405 rnfp hollow base bullet and 55 grains of 2F GOEX. Lube bullet with SPG and seat on powder and crimp. No wads or cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACKFOOT SASS #11947 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 My favorite 45/70 load is a 405 LRNFP over 13 grains of Trail Boss. BINGO! Blackfoot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Limpin Leroy Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Howdy Dave. Have you used or considered 5744 ? My daughter and I use 30 grs of 5744 under a 405 'boolit' in three .45-70's. Two 1886 and one Shilo Sharps. We shoot long range between 100 and 650 yards with pretty good luck. You do have to careful though because of the possibly of double charging. That however can be controlled by your loading technique or sequencing. We did shoot at 700 yards this year at one match but with the right to left cross wind we would have done better with 500 gr or better 'boolit'. It's worth considering. Watch yer' back trail .. .. .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Limpin Leroy Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Oh, by the way, we did get the chance the last few years to shoot our 1886 .45-70 in a regular cowboy match. Although not "official" by SASS rules, it is one heck of a hoot to shoot the big boomers in a main match setting !! Watch yer' back trail .. .. .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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