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New Vaquero shooting Pards:

 

I just got a pair of used K-New Vaqueros in .357 cal.

I opened them up to find that one has a hammer lock and one does not.

So I am looking for a spring seat to replace the lock.  

When you remove the lock, there is a big gap that a normal spring seat will not latch onto.

 

So I need a "longer" spring seat.  I don't want to replace a $100+ grip frame and fit it.  

 

I was told that Brownell's Tech guys had such a "longer" spring perch, but they say they've never heard of it.

Has anyone tried a Bearcat spring seat?  I heard they are longer.

 

Much obliged,

Mustang Gregg

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When I removed those POS locks from my wife's:wub:NMVs.

I shaped a #12 fender washer to fill the gap.

Been work'n fine for the last 9+ yrs.

Might be worth a call to Ruger, and see if they now have something you could use.

OLG

 

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Put locktite on the screws and set them to the unlock position. Mine haven’t caused an issue in 5+ years and tens of thousands of rounds. 

 

Why fix fix something with a bandaid that isn’t broke to begin with. 

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7 minutes ago, Sedalia Dave said:

Put locktite on the screws and set them to the unlock position. Mine haven’t caused an issue in 5+ years and tens of thousands of rounds. 

 

Why fix fix something with a bandaid that isn’t broke to begin with. 

What 'band-aid'? :huh:

That SS washer I used, will last longer than either of us will. :lol:

BTW-Both locks separated........;)

Ruger had a recall, IIRC.

OLG

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Curly Bill Kelly.  Local gunsmith made a seat to go in mine. Works great . I got his contact info if you want it.

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I sure do, Purly!  I'll send you a PM.

 

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12 minutes ago, Purly SASS # 57438 said:

Curly Bill Kelly.  Local gunsmith made a seat to go in mine. Works great . I got his contact info if you want it.

Can you post a picture?

OLG

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The bearcat spring seat works as a replacement according to others on the Ruger forums. 

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MG:

Pulled this photo from the Ruger forum, purports to be a Bearcat spring seat in place of the lock. Caveat:I have no experience with this, just found it on-line a while back and saved it. I have 4 NMV's with the lock, haven't changed them in the 12 years I've been shooting them.

 

CS

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Here's the Bearcat version.

https://www.brownells.com/handgun-parts/frame-parts/mainspring-parts/mainsprings/mainspring-seat-sku780000948-11856-28534.aspx?sku=780000948

 

Wonder who made the other one? :huh:

OLG

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1 hour ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said:

Just answered my own question. :rolleyes:

See post #5.........

https://rugerforum.net/ruger-single-action/117845-vaquero-lock.html

 

OLG

Great info OLG, like said above ya hate to fix something that aint broke, but those locks have always made me nervous somehow! This sound like any easy fix if for nothing else---peace of mind.

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3 hours ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said:

Can you post a picture?

OLG

I can tomorrow. I have already turned heat off in shop today.  Cold here 

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MUCHAS GRACIAS, PARDS!

 

All of the suppliers are out of the Bearcat seat now.  I will try Ruger directly. 

 

Hondo:  I really like the looks of the one you build, though.

I wish you still sold them.

 

Mustang

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29 minutes ago, Mustang Gregg said:

MUCHAS GRACIAS, PARDS!

 

All of the suppliers are out of the Bearcat seat now.  I will try Ruger directly. 

 

Hondo:  I really like the looks of the one you build, though.

I wish you still sold them.

 

Mustang

Have the serial numbers of the guns handy-Ruger uses the #'s be be sure they are looking at the 'rite' diagram and parts list.

OLG

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I've seen hobbyist U-channel material made of plastic, aluminum, and brass, but I can't remember ever seeing any made from steel. A hobby shop might have such a thing in 12 or 24" lengths.

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I have some that I had made up for short stroking.

Email or text me if you want one.

Johnny M.

928-300-6684

johnnymeadows55@yahoo.com

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23 hours ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said:

Have the serial numbers of the guns handy-Ruger uses the #'s be be sure they are looking at the 'rite' diagram and parts list.

OLG

If you're trying to buy Bearcat seats, do you need a Bearcat serial # ?

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26 minutes ago, Eyesa Horg said:

If you're trying to buy Bearcat seats, do you need a Bearcat serial # ?

Valid point-TNX.

I would ask Ruger if they have anything not cataloged, to use in place of the 'lock'.

 

OLG

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5 hours ago, Johnny Meadows,SASS#28485L said:

I have some that I had made up for short stroking.

Email or text me if you want one.

Johnny M.

928-300-6684

johnnymeadows55@yahoo.com

Much obliged, Johnny.

But I just ordered a Bearcat #KPR5 spring seat from Ruger.

I appreciate that. BTW:  How's that SxS doing?

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1 hour ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said:

Valid point-TNX.

I would ask Ruger if they have anything not cataloged, to use in place of the 'lock'.

 

OLG

OLG:

I reckon they would not sell anything that knowingly replaces a "safety" device.

They want all of their firearms left stock when they go out new or when in for repair.

Much obliged!!

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3 minutes ago, Mustang Gregg said:

OLG:

I reckon they would not sell anything that knowingly replaces a "safety" device.

They want all of their firearms left stock when they go out new or when in for repair.

Much obliged!!

Don't bet on it with the problems Ruger had with those crappy locks coming apart.

A call will give the answer--

OLG

 

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21 hours ago, Mustang Gregg said:

OLG:

I reckon they would not sell anything that knowingly replaces a "safety" device.

They want all of their firearms left stock when they go out new or when in for repair.

Much obliged!!

What did you tell them? Or did you just order a Bearcat seat period. I'm thinking they might question wanting 4.

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EH:

 

This time they did not even ask for a S/N.  But, yes, they usually they do.

I have a list of the Bearcat revolvers and when they were built and their S/N's just in case they ask for one.

 

Mustang Gregg

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Vaquero spring seat inverted.jpg

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Rats-:rolleyes:

Wonder if you can find some steel channel at the hardware store, and make one.

BTW, you have exact same cutout, I had to deal with.

OLG

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On 3/5/2019 at 2:09 PM, Purly SASS # 57438 said:

I can tomorrow. I have already turned heat off in shop today.  Cold here 

 

Still wait'n...........:lol:

OLG

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18 minutes ago, Mustang Gregg said:

The Bearcat seat just came in.

It is too short to catch enough ledge to use in that KNV locking grip frame.

I will contact Johnny for his "fixed" spring perch.

 

 

The long ones that Johnny Meadows has will work. I have used them myself.

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10 minutes ago, KingSnake said:

The long ones that Johnny Meadows has will work. I have used them myself.

He doesn't show it on his site.

Can you post a picture?

OLG

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48 minutes ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said:

 

Still wait'n...........:lol:

OLG

There you are.

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8 minutes ago, Purly SASS # 57438 said:

There you are.

20190310_105320.jpg

Are you able to capture the spring under the new seat?    GW

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Not on my Wife's NMV.

I had to file a notch on the side, just below the strut's hole.

Thank You, Purly:excl:

OLG

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1 hour ago, G W Wade said:

Are you able to capture the spring under the new seat?    GW

Yes. There is a small hole in the strut.  Works great.

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On 3/14/2019 at 11:11 AM, The Original Lumpy Gritz said:

Rats-:rolleyes:

Wonder if you can find some steel channel at the hardware store, and make one.

BTW, you have exact same cutout, I had to deal with.

OLG

I found some aluminum channel meant for edging on 1/4 in plywood.  Wish was steel, but.     Channel is .4 wide, with inside .265 about a 1/2 in tall made from .060 material..   OLG do you think this would work? Would most likely have a steel washer under spring.   Don"t have Ruger handy to check     GW

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