Doc Fill 'Em 67797 Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 Haven't heard anything about them in a while. What's the skinny?
Bad Hand Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 I've had one in 44-40 for a couple of years now, it's a totally different feel, like a cross between a '92 and a Marlin. I like mine, course I like shooting different guns.
Jabez Cowboy,SASS # 50129 Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 I know two Cowboys that are shooting them ,,,,,,,,,,,,, They ain't had any problems with them ... Was kinda hopein they might need a little slicken-up ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, so I could get a good look at the inards of one ... They really seem to like them .... Jabez Cowboy
Bad Hand Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 I know two Cowboys that are shooting them ,,,,,,,,,,,,, They ain't had any problems with them ... Was kinda hopein they might need a little slicken-up ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, so I could get a good look at the inards of one ... They really seem to like them .... Jabez Cowboy Contrary to what was published in "Guns of the Old West", internally the action looks a lot like the Colt's Lightening.
Ranger Red Dunn Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 I have three originals in my Colt collection and since I don't like to shoot these if I can help it, I picked up a Taylor's Burgess in 44-40 to shoot BP. The action is pretty good out of the box, uses a '73 mainspring. Fun to shoot, but like the originals, no short stroke kits, etc. But, since I'm not competitive, I can enjoy the "nostalgia factor" anyway.....
Jabez Cowboy,SASS # 50129 Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 Done work on an Original..... wondering how the new compares to it ... I did get to shoot both ,,,, and I liked them better than a little ... Jabez Cowboy
Badlands Beady Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 I got rid of mine, soon as I could. It was 45LC, and stovepiped something awful. It was just a little bit better with 255 gr RNFP than it was with 200 gr RNFP, but it was never what I would call dependable. I really wanted to like it, too.
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 I did a detailed article for the Chronicle a few months back. Took the rifle completely apart and photographed all the internals and explained how they work. The inside of a Burgess does not look or operate like a Lightning rifle.
Ranger Dunn Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 I will second Ranger Red Dunn's take on it and will add that I have handled his and it was indeed pretty slick right out of the box, he had a pard do a little slicking on it and I know I could run it pretty quick, maybe not 73 quick but pretty quick just the same.
Ranger Red Dunn Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 Larson, +1 on the dissimilarity of the Burgess and Lightning actions.
Cemetery Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 Haven't heard anything about them in a while. What's the skinny? Piece of c***. Had one in 44.40, massive jam before I was even able to get a round in the chamber. Sent it back immediately. Came back, blew through a box of 50 no problem. Next match, massive jams and stove pipes. Sent it back that Monday. FOUR months later, got it back. Double feed jam on the first cycle so bad had to disassemble it to clear it in order to ship it back AGAIN. Told them to send back a '66, which they did, which I was gonna purchase in the first place!!!
Sage Creek Gus SASS #64320 Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 I have an original Colt Burgess which I restored and am shooting. Between my dad and I we created 20 parts for this rifle including some basic parts so I am VERY familiar with the workings of this rifle. I acquired a Uberti Colt Burgess from Taylor last summer. Here's what I found. It is not an exact replica of the original Colt Burgess. The action is a close copy but they redesigned some parts so they could use coil springs rather than flat springs as in the original. They added a lever detent to keep the lever up when the action is closed and the hammer cocked. They added a trigger block which prevents the trigger from being pulled until the action is completely closed. BUT The rest of the rifle is a Winchester 1873. The barrel, forearm, forearm attachment method and magazine attachment to the barrel are Winchester and not Colt. The stock butt plate is Winchester. One of the parts I had to make was a "V" shaped spring which powers the ejection piston. I made one that ejects empty cases 2 to 4 feet into the air. When I got the Uberti, which has the same spring, it would only flip the cases about 3 to 4 inches into the air and would constantly stove pipe or drop the empty case back into the action. I contacted Taylor on this and they told me to return it and they would fix it as they said it should work like my original does. When they received the rifle their gunsmith called me and told me there was nothing wrong with my rifle and that this was all the better any of they ever ejected. I told him I had gotten my original Colt Burgess to eject well but he wouldn't listen to me. I asked him to take my rifle apart and make sure that the ejector piston moved easily around the firing pin as I had found that on my original this was important for it to function well. He refused to do so and said he would only return the rifle. He also told me he wished he had talked to me before I sent the rifle as he would have told me this at that time. I told him I had asked the person I talked to to first talk to him before I sent the rifle to them but they refused and told me to just send it to them because they knew it was not functioning properly. When I originally received the rifle it was in a clear plastic sleeve to protect the finish. When I returned the rifle to them I put it in the same plastic sleeve. When they returned the rifle to me they did not put it in the sleeve and the vibration during shipping had worn through finish from the rifle rubbing on the cardboard of the box. I immediately took pictures of the damage and emailed then the pictures along with a request for payment for damages. I also asked them to reimburse me for shipping the rifle to them since they had instructed me to do so even though I had asked them to talk to their gunsmith before I shipped the rifle. I never received a response. Several months later, in August of 2011 I received an email from another person at Taylor stating they understood the rifle had been damaged in shipment and asking if they should file a claim with the shipper. I told her to check with my earlier email and note that the damage was not caused by the shipper but was caused because it was not packaged properly by Taylor. At this time I have not heard another word from them. I wish I could recommend this rifle as I like the rifle very much. Both the original and the reproduction are the most smooth and easily functioning actions I have. But the ejectiion is not dependable so I cannot recommend them. Some time, probably next winter, I will build another spring like I did for the original for the reproduction and get the ejection functioning properly but right now I have a lot of money tied up in a rifle I purchased to be my back up rifle setting at home. Sage Creek Gus
Jefro, SASS#69420 Posted April 25, 2012 Posted April 25, 2012 There are several reviews over at CAS City, some ok, some not ok. One constant is they are not gonna be very fast. Go to "Gun Reviews" then use the search feature. Good Luck CAS City Jefro Relax-Enjoy
Bad Hand Posted April 26, 2012 Posted April 26, 2012 I did a detailed article for the Chronicle a few months back. Took the rifle completely apart and photographed all the internals and explained how they work. The inside of a Burgess does not look or operate like a Lightning rifle. I stand corrected, I've never had a reason to disassemble mine, just looked down through the open bolt and it looked (to me) like my "lightening:.
BoomStick Jay Posted April 26, 2012 Posted April 26, 2012 The Ranger Dunn duo! Yeah watch that lever spring and ball bearing! It might poke your eye out!
Rye Miles #13621 Posted April 26, 2012 Posted April 26, 2012 Guess there's a reason why the Winchester dominated the market back in the day. Wonder if they had this much trouble with 'em back then? Rye
Outrider, SASS #72622 Posted April 26, 2012 Posted April 26, 2012 Guess there's a reason why the Winchester dominated the market back in the day. Wonder if they had this much trouble with 'em back then? Rye I was kinda thinking the same thing!
Jabez Cowboy,SASS # 50129 Posted April 26, 2012 Posted April 26, 2012 I did a detailed article for the Chronicle a few months back. Took the rifle completely apart and photographed all the internals and explained how they work. The inside of a Burgess does not look or operate like a Lightning rifle. Sorry didn't see the articule,seldom read the CC any more since it went Digital,here in Canada the paper copy is too dear to have .... I used ta read the CC cover to cover several times each month,INCLUDING the adds ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Now I don't read the addvertising at all !!! So those paying the costs to publish the CC are getting Short-changed ..... What month was your articule in ??? Jabez Cowboy
Ranger Red Dunn Posted April 26, 2012 Posted April 26, 2012 Uh....I warned you Boomstick! BTW, haven't forgotten to bring the Browning.
Lightfoot Posted April 26, 2012 Posted April 26, 2012 Haven't heard anything about them in a while. What's the skinny? I see there is a real nice one for sale in classified section
Checotah Posted April 26, 2012 Posted April 26, 2012 What month was your articule in ??? I, too, am interested in the article. I couldn't find it in the last 6 or so editions I have and didn't see it in the on-line archives. I emailed SASS HQ about getting a copy and rec'v a reply from Buttercup, who graciously has offerred to send me a copy if I can narrow down which edition it was in. Hopefully, someone can help us find it. Sounds like something I want to read before I try to take mine apart.
Injun Ryder, SASS #36201L Posted April 26, 2012 Posted April 26, 2012 I, too, am interested in the article. I couldn't find it in the last 6 or so editions I have and didn't see it in the on-line archives. I emailed SASS HQ about getting a copy and rec'v a reply from Buttercup, who graciously has offerred to send me a copy if I can narrow down which edition it was in. Hopefully, someone can help us find it. Sounds like something I want to read before I try to take mine apart. The articles were in the September and October 2010 Chronicles. If you cannot obtain them, contact me via e-mail. I have pdf files of the articles.
Checotah Posted April 27, 2012 Posted April 27, 2012 The articles were in the September and October 2010 Chronicles. If you cannot obtain them, contact me via e-mail. I have pdf files of the articles. Sent you PM.
Jabez Cowboy,SASS # 50129 Posted April 27, 2012 Posted April 27, 2012 Thanks for the heads-up .... May contact you if I can't find them ... Jabez Cowboy
Adirondack Jack, SASS #53440 Posted April 27, 2012 Posted April 27, 2012 It is what it is, a replica of a basically unsucessfull rifle that works ok when run slow but is no ball of fire for CAS use.
Checotah Posted April 27, 2012 Posted April 27, 2012 It is what it is, a replica of a basically unsucessfull rifle that works ok when run slow but is no ball of fire for CAS use. Yup, that's me!
Tarheel Ranger Posted April 29, 2012 Posted April 29, 2012 I bought a Uberti Burgess back in May of 2011. I could never finish a match with it. The first issue was failure to fires. It was caused by light firing pin strikes. I sent it to the dealer's gunsmith who stoned the hammer which he said was too tight in the action. Then it fired consistently, but started ejecting live ammo and sometimes jamming. Then the extractor bent and it hopelessly jammed during the last stage of a match. I only got off one shot. I sent it back to the dealer and the gunsmith replaced the extractor and advised he took it out and ran two full magazine through it. He sent it back and I took it to the range and it would extract, but would not eject the casing (or live ammo). I sent it back again and the dealer swapped me even for a brand new Uberti 1873 1/2 round barrel rifle. To date the 1873 has run like clockwork. I really liked the look and feel of the Burgess, but it was too unreliable. It was however extremely accurate. The dealer was A-OK to work with. They paid the shipping back and forth when I sent it back and they did make it good. I have read posts written by people who swear by their Burgess so I suppose it's the luck of the draw (no pun intended) when you get one. The problem is it is an expensive rifle. I paid $1,300 and change w/tax for mine. While in the overall world of firearms, $1,300 is not an exhorbitant amount of money, it was a lot for me.
Cemetery Posted April 29, 2012 Posted April 29, 2012 The problem is it is an expensive rifle. I paid $1,300 and change w/tax for mine. While in the overall world of firearms, $1,300 is not an exhorbitant amount of money, it was a lot for me. $1300 for an unreliable piece of c*** is wwwaaayyyy too much money.
Marshal TKD, Sass # 36984L Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 Mine ran for two matches. The light hits. I tred to disassemble the rile to clean it. I shattered one screw driver bit. Then the head buggered up. Cimmaron said they have no parts so it sits.
Jabez Cowboy,SASS # 50129 Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 Good Info,,,,,, even if it's not good news .... Thanks Pards Jabez Cowboy
Badlands Beady Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 Good Info,,,,,, even if it's not good news .... Thanks Pards Jabez Cowboy Kinda feel sorry for th pard who's got one for sale in the Classifieds, right now.
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