dgwii Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 since belts have been worn on pants since 1800-2000 B.C., why can,t we wear pants with belts in sass matches ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taquila Tab, Sass #25048 Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 since belts have been worn on pants since 1800-2000 B.C., why can,t we wear pants with belts in sass matches ? What makes you think you can't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashpowder Hal Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 I've been wearing a belt on my pants in every SASS match I've been in for years. Is there a "Beltless shooter" catagory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Milo Talon SASS #23163 Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 John Wayne wore a belt.You can wear a belt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 since belts have been worn on pants since 1800-2000 B.C., why can,t we wear pants with belts in sass matches ? Of course, through all that time, men have also been wearing some sort of skirt too. And carrying purses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgwii Posted May 11, 2011 Author Share Posted May 11, 2011 What makes you think you can't? the sass rule book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgwii Posted May 11, 2011 Author Share Posted May 11, 2011 thank you for all your replies, very helpful to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus Longshot, SASS #44254 Life Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 the sass rule book. Please note the page and section that leads you to think this. Belts are absolutely legal. In fact, B-Western requires belts and doesn't allow suspenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Sage, SASS #49891 Life Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 the sass rule book. What rule is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 I think it means that ya can't have a belt 'til after the shootin's done and the guns are put away... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Masked Man Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 sorry, I thought this was a spin-off of the "we were SO poor..." thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Houston # 35508 Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 Joined ...Today??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 I've been wearing a belt on my pants in every SASS match I've been in for years. Is there a "Beltless shooter" catagory? Would that be the BELTLESS BAPTIST CATEGORY? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Dave Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 Shooter's handbook Page 16 under requirements for B Western Category • Pants must be jeans, ranch pants, or pants with flap over the rear pocket, keystone belt loops, and/or piping or fringe. • Pants must be worn with a belt. Suspenders are not allowed. Felt hats only, no straw hats. Hats must be worn. RO II Manual, Page 11 under B-Western requirements • Clothing: Shirts must be of the B–Western style with snap buttons or any of the following: “smiley pockets,” embroidery, appliqués, fringe, or different colored yokes. Shield shirts are also allowed if they have piping or embroidery. Pants must be jeans, ranch pants, or pants with flap over the rear pocket, keystone belt loops, and/or piping or fringe. Pants must be worn with a belt. Suspenders are not allowed. Felt hats only, no straw hats. Hats must be worn. Boots are required and must be of traditional design with fancy stitching or multi-color fancy design with non-grip enhancing (i.e. “NO Lug”) soles. Lace-up boots and moccasins are not allowed. Western spurs with rowels are required for men. Ladies may wear skirts or split riding skirts. These are the ONLY places that address belts that are there to hold your pants up (something other than a gun or ammo belt.) It is a somewhat common misconception that belts are not allowed, or specifically not allowed in the Classic Cowboy category - if that is so, show me the rule. Here is a link to the SASS handbooks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Dave Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 Oh, BTW, welcome dgwii. Grizz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 Then there are the folks who wear what I call Murphy's Insurance: suspenders and a belt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 Then there are the folks who wear what I call Murphy's Insurance: suspenders and a belt. Wasn't it Fonda in 'Once upon a Time in the West' that said "Who would trust you?...a man who wears a belt and suspenders at the same...can't even trust his own pants" (or somethin' like that) GG ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Hand Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 Perhaps I'm overly suspicious but here we have an OP that joins the forum, posts a question and when it's answered references the SASS handbook. When questioned about what part of the handbook (s)he was referring to, the OP doesn't respond. (S)he hasn't filled out his profile, and when I located the only SASS club I could find named "Greenville Gunfighters", I couldn't find his name on any of the match score sheets. SASS alias locator indicates there isn't a member "dgwii". A troll perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Dave Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 Bad Hand, while possible, I prefer to give him the benefit of the doubt. With the SASS number he likely joined Fall of 2009 of thereabouts. Could be that other things got in the way of shooting for a while and now he's starting back up. Could also be that his forum name doesn't match his alias that would be in the score sheets. I've been given the impression by multiple sources that belt's weren't allowed except in B western. Things like that tend to get repeated and taken as rule without being checked out... I've even done it my own self at times. Or it could be a troll. Grizz edit to remove multiple multiple sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Hand Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 Bad Hand, while possible, I prefer to give him the benefit of the doubt. With the SASS number he likely joined Fall of 2009 of thereabouts. Could be that other things got in the way of shooting for a while and now he's starting back up. Could also be that his forum name doesn't match his alias that would be in the score sheets. I've been given the impression by multiple sources that belt's weren't allowed except in B western from multiple sources. Things like that tend to get repeated and taken as rule without being checked out... I've even done it my own self at times. Or it could be a troll. Grizz True, but the OP specifically cites the SASS rule book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Dave Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 True, but the OP specifically cites the SASS rule book. Indeed he does. Could be he was told "no belts allowed, it's in the rule book, look it up" by a more seasoned cowboy shooter and thus took his word for it rather than checking it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 The wii in the alias makes me a bit suspicious, but then I am a snake anyway. Besides, we don't need no steenkin belts anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tennessee Stud, SASS# 43634 Life Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 since belts have been worn on pants since 1800-2000 B.C., why can,t we wear pants with belts in sass matches ? In the early days of SASS... whilst ALL the Wild Bunch was out drinkin' one night... one of 'em's woman snuck that rule in the book. Ever since then... all the SASS wimmen been gettin' their jollies outta men-folk's britches fallin' down. It's happened to me a time or two... embarrassin' as hell. Thankfully... none of the wimmen noticed... and when they did... they commenced to laffin'... fallin' down... an rollin' bout the range pointin' at me. After the first time... it gets easier. ts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el Gato Gordo - SASS #15162 Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 There is no rule, rhyme or reason prohibiting pants or jeans with belt loops. It just depends on how you want to dress: and you can dress "B-Western" without shooting in that category. It just depends on what game you are playing in your mind. If you are planning on portraying an 1870's character, then you might take this into consideration: "Belt loops were not common before the 20th century. Most pants were worn with suspenders. In 1910 some suits, but not all, had belt loops. Levi Strauss began adding belt loops to its jeans in 1922." Operative term is "not common." Doesn't mean there weren't ANY. Play the game any way you want, there's enough categories and costuming options for everyone! Buena suerte, eGG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackwater 53393 Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 Heck, the zipper was patented in 1851. It wasn't common for decades, but it was out there! The "RULES" are loosley written to include almost everybody!! Those who try to prevent others from playing by making up rules are working against the rest of us and should be severely chastised for doing so!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anvil Al #59168 Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 No such rule that I have ever seen. Seen lots of folks wear belts. From State matches to EOT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 I guess the obvious here is YA GOTTA HAVE PANTS, THO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 I guess the obvious here is YA GOTTA HAVE PANTS, THO. Do You? 79th NY, 1861 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackwater 53393 Posted May 11, 2011 Share Posted May 11, 2011 There's a group conspirin' ta' shoot in kilts sometime this summer at a major match. Just sayin'! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Hand Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 There's a group conspirin' ta' shoot in kilts sometime this summer at a major match. Just sayin'! I hope it's not windy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boulder Canyon Bob# 32052L Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 since belts have been worn on pants since 1800-2000 B.C., why can,t we wear pants with belts in sass matches ? In 2000 BC they were barely walking upright, I doubt they concerned themselves with belts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 WE DON'T NEED NO STEENKIN' PANTS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Jim Hancock Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 Wasn't it Fonda in 'Once upon a Time in the West' that said "Who would trust you?...a man who wears a belt and suspenders at the same...can't even trust his own pants" (or somethin' like that) GG ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 In 2000 BC they were barely walking upright, I doubt they concerned themselves with belts. You might want to re-think that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20th_century_BC More closer to 30,000BC they were barely walking upright. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cro-Magnon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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