Cimarron 73 UPDATE

[Rye Miles #13621]

I got a pretty good deal on a brand new 1873 Cimarron rifle by Uberti about 6 months ago. While they're all stiff out of the box this one seemed to be extra stiff. I had a short stroke kit installed by a friend who's done a bunch of these. The action was fine and short stroke worked okay. The problem was the feeding and extracting. It was almost unshootable. I finally had it looked over by a terrific gunsmith in the area. He had to take the barrel off and reem out the chamber. It works fine now. My question is doesn't anyone at Uberti or Cimarron check these rifles before they go out? This should have never been released the way it was. 

Just my rant for the day. Anyone else experience this?

 

Check my last comment..............scroll down.

Edited September 22 by Rye Miles #13621

[The Original Lumpy Gritz]

Did you fire it before the action work?

[Rye Miles #13621]

14 minutes ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said:

Did you fire it before the action work?

No, didn't think I had to but looking back I guess I should have and maybe I could have sent it back to Cimarron.

[Garrison Joe, SASS #60708]

Almost all the guns we use now for cowboy action are just parts kits already assembled by factory.  I find VERY few that do not take at least some cleanup and tuning before they will run in a match.  Sounds like the factory may have skipped the finish reaming of the chamber!  And then paid no attention to very balky ammo chambering!  Serious faults which would qualify for a warranty repair in my book.  If you had the time to wait. 

 

Sounds like you took a practical approach! 

 

But, then, how did that first gunsmith do an action upgrade without SHOOTING the finished gun and finding the real problem?   Hmmmmm.

 

good luck, GJ

Edited September 10 by Garrison Joe, SASS #60708

[Rye Miles #13621]

26 minutes ago, Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 said:

Almost all the guns we use now for cowboy action are just parts kits already assembled by factory.  I find VERY few that do not take at least some cleanup and tuning before they will run in a match.  Sounds like the factory may have skipped the finish reaming of the chamber!  And then paid no attention to very balky ammo chambering!  Serious faults which would qualify for a warranty repair in my book.  If you had the time to wait. 

 

Sounds like you took a practical approach! 

 

But, then, how did that first gunsmith do an action upgrade without SHOOTING the finished gun and finding the real problem?   Hmmmmm.

 

good luck, GJ

The first gunsmith is not really a gunsmith but has done several SS kits. He was aware of the feeding and ejection problems. He tried reeming out the chamber but doesn’t have tools to do it right. The second gunsmith actually took the barrel off and reemed the chamber. 

Edited September 10 by Rye Miles #13621

[Abilene, SASS # 27489]

To answer your question about doesn't Cimarron check these?  They do visual and action checks before shipping an order, but they do not chamber ammo or dummies.

[Rye Miles #13621]

11 minutes ago, Abilene, SASS # 27489 said:

To answer your question about doesn't Cimarron check these?  They do visual and action checks before shipping an order, but they do not chamber ammo or dummies.

They should especially for the price they’re getting 😡

[Ranger Dan]

I bought one last year used, but like new in the box. Had the same issue. I already had a barrel clamp and rented a chamber reamer from 4D Rentals. Runs like a semiauto now. It had a couple burrs in the chamber.

[Gateway Kid SASS# 70038 Life]

This seems to be a very common problem right now. I have a ‘73 in my hands that was in for an action job (no SS) and would feed and eject unfired reloads and dummies great but once fired they would drag so badly that you could hardly open the lever. Closer examination showed not one but two visible burrs at the chamber mouth. I took some fired but not resized pieces of brass and some would hang up tight leaving scratches on the case and some would extract smoothly. Thinking it may need the chamber reamed/polished by someone with more appropriate equipment. 
Regards

    

Gateway Kid

[Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933]

Brand new Cimarron 73.  Barrel screwed in too far so they just filed a bigger cut on the top for the extractor.  The groove for the tab at the bottom was not at 6 o'clock so the tab banged on the back of the barrel when closing the lever.  A good size knot fell out of the stock and left a hole.  They just finished over it.

 

 

 

[Ranger Dan]

It's not that difficult. An octagon barrel can be put in a regular bench vice with leather padding and you can rent the reamer that screws onto your T handle cleaning rod. I have a barrel vice, so used that. Did the job in a couple hours taking my time.

[Abilene, SASS # 27489]

I hope y'all are at least telling the importer (Cimarron or whoever) about these issues so they are aware of it and can tell Uberti.

[Rye Miles #13621]

I forgot another problem was the loading gate was so tight it was very very hard to load! He also fixed that. That rifle should have never left the factory !😡

[Frontier Lone Rider]

2 hours ago, Rye Miles #13621 said:

I forgot another problem was the loading gate was so tight it was very very hard to load! He also fixed that. That rifle should have never left the factory !😡

Rye, I told you, you should have bought my gun.  Ready to go and no problems, plus it was cheaper.

 

Just rubbing it in a little.

[Rye Miles #13621]

1 hour ago, Frontier Lone Rider said:

Rye, I told you, you should have bought my gun.  Ready to go and no problems, plus it was cheaper.

 

Just rubbing it in a little.

You had a nice deal but I like the 73 better than the 66, that’s what made up my mind, 

[Doug E Turtle]

Uberti probably taking a page out of Remington's playbook on Marlin rifles...only checked 1 out of every 30 or 40 before they went out the door.

[Phantom, SASS #54973]

39 minutes ago, Doug E Turtle said:

Uberti probably taking a page out of Remington's playbook on Marlin rifles...only checked 1 out of every 30 or 40 before they went out the door.

I think this is a mis-informed opinion of the issues that Remington was having with the 1894's in 357...

 

Phantom

[Creeker, SASS #43022]

53 minutes ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said:

I think this is a mis-informed opinion of the issues that Remington was having with the 1894's in 357...

 

Phantom

Remember, never let the facts get in the way of a good story.

[Doug E Turtle]

5 hours ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said:

I think this is a mis-informed opinion of the issues that Remington was having with the 1894's in 357...

 

Phantom

 

I see in another thread that you already dismissed the write-up from a long-time Marlin employee about the QC issues, so please do tell what experience you have with working in the Marlin and/or Remington plants and seeing all of this first-hand.

["Big Boston"]

23 hours ago, Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 said:

Almost all the guns we use now for cowboy action are just parts kits already assembled by factory.  I find VERY few that do not take at least some cleanup and tuning before they will run in a match.  Sounds like the factory may have skipped the finish reaming of the chamber!  And then paid no attention to very balky ammo chambering!  Serious faults which would qualify for a warranty repair in my book.  If you had the time to wait. 

 

Sounds like you took a practical approach! 

 

But, then, how did that first gunsmith do an action upgrade without SHOOTING the finished gun and finding the real problem?   Hmmmmm.

 

good luck, GJ

 

That is the reality, we are getting pre-assembled kits, with some adjustment and whatever required to get them going. My last new out of the box '73 wouldn't feed. I swapped out the carrier block with one from a rifle I'd changed to a light weight carrier block. Problem solved. Took pictures and Taylors sent me a new one. It went into the parts drawer, I don't fix stuff that ain't broke. 

 

I have a few Uberti guns, very few if any worked nice out of the box, and chambers can be all over the map. My last one, a 44-40, is about as minimum as you can get, some others are at least max. I have one from 1997 and some newer, and IMO, they are not getting better. Back a few years ago I bought a new Miroku Winchester 1873, and I've yet to find any issues. 

 

 

A recent purchase, three days of working on it and it is pretty decent. Many little fixes, several parts needed, a feed six installed and some fine tuning. Point is that working on the cowboy tools seems to be part of the game. 

 

BB

[Phantom, SASS #54973]

9 hours ago, Doug E Turtle said:

 

I see in another thread that you already dismissed the write-up from a long-time Marlin employee about the QC issues, so please do tell what experience you have with working in the Marlin and/or Remington plants and seeing all of this first-hand.

Hmmmm...didn't know any Marlin employees actual took up the offer to work for Remington.

 

All I had were conversations...with people at Remington.

 

But continue with your QC statistics if it makes you feel better...not going to change anything. But it does sound rather silly in my opinion.

 

Phantom

[Kid Rich]

Not a new problem. I have a Uberti 73 in 45 colt that was my first 73. Ran good until it was fired then it left scrape marks on the fired cartridge. When I looked into the chamber it looked like it was threaded. I polished the chamber by hand and took care of the problem. Shirttail still uses that rifle for WB and it is one of the best we own.

kR

[Rye Miles #13621]

Update: my 73 rifle works great. Master gunsmith Andy Horvath removed the barrel and reamed it. He also lightened the loading gate. He polished some parts as well!