Elon Musk and His Secret Agenda

[Blackwater 53393]

I have had three vehicle fires that were not racing related.  I can pretty much say that those three fires were mostly my fault.  One was a backfire through the carburetor, the resulting of shoddy maintenance.  I put it out with an old shirt, drove the car home, and spent the next day and about $50.00 catching up on maintenance.

 

A little rubbing compound and a waxing of the hood and it ran until I sold it!

 

The second one was unexpected and probably the result of poor design.  One of the rubber fuel hoses that Ford used to install their inline fuel filter burst and spewed gasoline onto the exhaust manifold. I had learned from the first fire and a small fire extinguisher did the trick.

 

$4.00 worth of hose and hose clamps put it back on the road and I changed the fuel lines to solid flare fittings and a better filter.  It cost more in time, cleaning up the mess from the fire extinguisher, than it took to make the repairs.

 

The last one was an aftermarket carburetor that I bought from someone who didn’t know how to tune or adjust it!  Again, a small extinguisher handled the fire!  I junked that carb and bought a new one, pulled the hood and sanded and repainted it, and went and got my money back from the joker that sold me the bad carb!  This one cost me about $400.00 and took me a couple of days to fix, but I drove that car ‘til it wore out and then made a drag car out of it!

 

In all three instances, the fires were put out in a matter of minutes and in two out of the three I drove the car home!

[Rip Snorter]

Never had a car of mine catch fire, did go on a car fire call when I was a police officer.  Combination of shade tree mechanic and alcohol consumed by same.  Call went to the FD as well, they were a bit annoyed that the fire extinguisher from my squad had put it out.  No chance of that with a Lithium battery - I doubt anything but an extreme effort by multiple units would git 'er done.

[Dirty Dan Dawkins]

Then there is his boring, boring company, So boring no one talks about it.

 

https://www.boringcompany.com

Edited September 10 by Dirty Dan Dawkins

[Sedalia Dave]

EV fires are nothing compared to having your combine catch fire. Best you can hope for is that you can contain it to the machine and not lose a field of crops.
 

 Helped salvage more than one burned combine. Two from ponds that they were driven into so that the field could be saved. 
 

 Also remember catalytic converters starting lots of fires because the car or truck was parked in dry grass or wheat stubble.

 

 If all that burned was the car or truck you counted yourself lucky. 

[Rip Snorter]

Not true.  A single wildland fire truck, promptly to the scene, or better still, the Farmer  / Rancher who has a truck or UTV with a sprayer stationed in the field when conditions are bad and a good fire extinguisher in the cab, no big thing.  EV battery, don't go there.  Many, many situations posted even by biased left news organizations.  I did a number of years on a rural VFD.

[Dilli GaHoot Galoot]

10 hours ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

 

 

https://www.edmunds.com/electric-car/articles/electric-car-fires.html

 

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The MSB's 2023 report found that electric car fires, out of about 611,000 electric vehicles, have averaged about 20 per year in the last three years. On the other hand, cars powered by fuel — totaling about 4.4 million — had about 3,400 fires during that same time. The agency concedes that some of the fires in internal combustion engine vehicles were due to arson, but the figures still come out in favor of EVs.

Similarly, Australia's EV FireSafe, a group funded by the country's department of defense, studied global EV battery fires from 2010 to 2020. The report found that the risk of an electric car battery catching fire was a thousandth of a percent (0.0012%). FireSafe noted that it was difficult to find similar data for internal combustion engine vehicles globally, but based on the reports the group looked at, it estimated fire risk at a tenth of a percent (0.1%).

For comparison, the U.S. had over 283 million registered vehicles in 2022, so the odds are good that you'll never have to worry about your new electric car bursting into flames. But what if the odds are against you and you do experience a lithium fire?"

 

0.0012%.  Not a high risk,  is it?  

I know,  "BUTOHMYGAWD!!! They burn hotter than the Sun, take months to put out and one will burn down a whole county! " according to the alarmists.  And?  An ICE vehicle that catches fire in a garage or attached carport is likely to burn down your house,  so no difference there.  If an EV catches fire roadside, wet down the area around it and let it burn out, which seems to be the method becoming more and more common.  Fire technology will catch up with this relatively new hazard. 

 

For the record I'm a big fan of new tech and EV's in general, on the other hand not such a fan or Elon Musk and his loyal Muskcovites that act like the Cyber truck is a gift from the gods on Olympus

Not saying it's funny when folks get hurt, but not going lie, I laughed at the ones that stuck their fingers into the closing trunk 

 

[watab kid]

we had a car dire - i was on stage in iowa when my daughter called , her mothers car caught fire on main street in our home town area , both girls were OK and had transport to safety - i didnt realize how bad it coyld have been till i picked up the bill for tow and storage , i had to see it and was told i has see if there was anything we wanted out of it before they could call the scrap yard , , not much left and nothing salvageable , 

granted that was a gasoline car , but the fire department knew how to fight that fire , think these new battery fires are different 

[Subdeacon Joe]

21 hours ago, Cypress Sun said:

If you don't think that driving an EV vehicle, or any vehicle for that matter, thru deep water isn't detrimental to the longevity of the electronics and/or batteries of an EV...keep kidding yourself

 

I didn't say that.  Nor hint at it. You're reading more  into my post than  I  wrote.

 

I called out the implication that ALL electric vehicles that get even hint of saltwater will soon burst into flames.   If they are as suseptible to fire as the alarmists mak them out to be every EV in the NE, upper Midwest,  and every other place that salts roads in winter would burn every year. 

 

So, how many Tesla trucks have burst into flames because of contact with saltwater?  

 

Overall EVs seem to catch fire at a far lower rate than conventional vehicles, yet any thread about them brings out the "OMYGAWD!!!!! ALL EVS WILL BURST INTO FLAMES!!!!" alarmists.  Yes, under some extreme circumstances they are more likely to spontaneously combust than ICE vehicles.   But even given those unusual conditions there is a very low probability of it happening.   It's on the order of wanting to ban CCWs nationaly because one permit holder instigated a road rage incident. 

 

I love how I'm told to "chill out" by those who at any mention of EV start posting the ignorant exaggerations or extremely distorted anecdotes about very unusual events about EVs.  Possibly if the exploding heads would refrain from posting those distortions and half truths (a halftruthis a whole lie) I would in turn "chill out."

[Doug E Turtle]

On 9/9/2024 at 9:14 AM, Dilli GaHoot Galoot said:

 

 

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a62009993/tesla-cybertruck-fire-takes-more-than-hour-to-put-out/

 

Electric big rig fires are much worse...16 hours, which shut down a major freeway for most of the day: https://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article291178340.html

[Cypress Sun]

11 minutes ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

 

I didn't say that.  Nor hint at it. You're reading more  into my post than  I  wrote.

 

I called out the implication that ALL electric vehicles that get even hint of saltwater will soon burst into flames.   If they are as suseptible to fire as the alarmists mak them out to be every EV in the NE, upper Midwest,  and every other place that salts roads in winter would burn every year. 

 

So, how many Tesla trucks have burst into flames because of contact with saltwater?  

 

Overall EVs seem to catch fire at a far lower rate than conventional vehicles, yet any thread about them brings out the "OMYGAWD!!!!! ALL EVS WILL BURST INTO FLAMES!!!!" alarmists.  Yes, under some extreme circumstances they are more likely to spontaneously combust than ICE vehicles.   But even given those unusual conditions there is a very low probability of it happening.   It's on the order of wanting to ban CCWs nationaly because one permit holder instigated a road rage incident. 

 

I love how I'm told to "chill out" by those who at any mention of EV start posting the ignorant exaggerations or extremely distorted anecdotes about very unusual events about EVs.  Possibly if the exploding heads would refrain from posting those distortions and half truths (a halftruthis a whole lie) I would in turn "chill out."

 

Whatever...

 

I could care less about EV's or the people that own them. Throwing me in with the foaming at the mouth EV haters (and the gun haters) the way you have, is beyond irrational at best. I suggest you research my posts on EV vehicles going back thru the years.

 

I'm done on this subject with you. 

 

 

[Sedalia Dave]

14 hours ago, Rip Snorter said:

Not true.  A single wildland fire truck, promptly to the scene, or better still, the Farmer  / Rancher who has a truck or UTV with a sprayer stationed in the field when conditions are bad and a good fire extinguisher in the cab, no big thing.  EV battery, don't go there.  Many, many situations posted even by biased left news organizations.  I did a number of years on a rural VFD.

 Cell phones have reduced the response time considerably and nothing against any VFD, but by the time they arrived there would be nothing left but a field of ashes and smoldering equipment. 
 Wheat fields are BONE dry during harvest and burn amazingly fast once the fire reaches unharvested crops. 
 

 Fires in combines are almost impossible to put out with portable extinguishers. Too many places that are hard to access and even 3 or 4 large hand held extinguishers are incapable of effectively putting them out. 
 Most are started by a failed bearing so you have red hot molten steel and burning grease combined with lots and lots of flammable vegetation. By the time the operator is aware of the fire it is too late to fight alone because not only is the machine on fire, the field is as well. 

 

 

Unless a trained crew is onsite the only way to combat a wheat field on fire is with a tractor and disk. Try to get out in front and cut a fire break and hope the fire doesn’t jump it. If the wind is blowing best to save yourself. 
 

 

[bgavin]

I am told that 95% of the EVs are still on the road.
The other 5% made it home OK.

Other than refusing to ever own one, other than my daughter's Prius being a giant hole in the asphalt where you shovel money, I don't object to EVs.

Except:  EVs do not pay gasoline taxes.
CA is losing tax money due to the huge number of EVs, so they are raising gas taxes so gasoline engine drivers can subsidize EVs.

[Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770]

1 hour ago, bgavin said:

Except:  EVs do not pay gasoline taxes.
CA is losing tax money due to the huge number of EVs, so they are raising gas taxes so gasoline engine drivers can subsidize EVs.

I've heard that there are some that want to tax EVs a "Mileage" tax to make up for it.

[Oak Ridge Regulator]

All you guys worrying about EV car batteries being bombs need to see what happens when a gasoline powered car catches on fire. Watch some of the old videos on the first ford pintos. Just saying any system that contains a mass energy storage tank can be a bomb wether it’s gas or battery

[Rip Snorter]

Thing is, I can't ever recall a safety recommendation that gasoline powered cars be parked away from the house.  Yup, I have seen car fires and the FD handles them quickly and efficiently.

[Dilli GaHoot Galoot]

https://www.flickr.com/photos/schlepper/albums/72157625547890646/

 

 

Arcosanti Fire, October 1978

[Still hand Bill]

7 hours ago, bgavin said:

Several states are charging a tax along with yearly tags to cover that revenue.  
 

the real problem with ev fires is they are a metal fire and fire departments have no idea how to fight a metal fire as it’s not something they normally do.  They even make special fire extinguishers for metal fires.  

Edited September 11 by Still hand Bill

[Sedalia Dave]

15 hours ago, Rip Snorter said:

Thing is, I can't ever recall a safety recommendation that gasoline powered cars be parked away from the house.  Yup, I have seen car fires and the FD handles them quickly and efficiently.

 

There have been lots of them.

 

 

Recall alert: Ford recalls 350K vehicles; owners of 39K SUVS told to park outside

 

Ford is expanding a recall of SUVs and telling owners to park them outside after a series of engine fires that can happen even when ignition switches are off.  The company also announced Friday that it’s recalling another 100,000 SUVs in the U.S. for a different problem that also causes engine fires.

 

Consumer Alert: Kia and Hyundai Issue Recalls for 3.3M Vehicles, Advise Owners to Park Outside

 

Consumer Alert: Kia Issues 'Park Outside' Recall for Certain 2020-2024 Telluride Vehicles for Fire Risk

 

GM tells newer Silverado owners to park outside due to fire risk, possible 40K trucks recalled

 

Ram recalls over 300,000 trucks, urging owners to park outside

 

In addition to the above there have been just as many DO NOT DRIVE recalls because the the cars are not safe to drive.

 

And we cannot forget Toyota to Pay $1.2B for Hiding Deadly ‘Unintended Acceleration’

 

The $2 Billion Toll Of GM's Defect Coverup

 

General Motors recalls another 2.7 million vehicles

 

 

Edited September 11 by Sedalia Dave

[Dilli GaHoot Galoot]

https://www.torquenews.com/11826/geico-terminating-insurance-coverage-tesla-cybertrucks-says-type-vehicle-doesnt-meet-our/#google_vignette

 

Welp, turns out this isn't true 

 

When I saw it I did a quick check to see if it was accurate and didn't see anything indicating it was fake, but now the folks at Geico say "not true" and they will cover the Cybertruck 

 

Mea culpa 

Edited October 8 by Dilli GaHoot Galoot