Pee Wee #15785 151 Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 Very long shot but trying to find a loading manual that list loads with out using the plastic wads of today. Back around 1970 I remembering loading trap loads using fiber, felt, and cork wads. At 75 I don't remember what went first or how thick to use. I' know I need over and under shot cards but not size or thickness. I was using paper hulls at that time. Used them in a double over/under and I think the Browning A5. They were made on an very old MEC. The name and number on the loading manual will work ok, just something to get started. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mack Hacker, #60477 66 Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 If you can find one, pick up a copy of Shotguns And Patterns(may not be exact title but close). By George Oberfel, It is the definitive source for info on shotgun shells before plastic wads were introduced. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Abilene, SASS # 27489 1,510 Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 Cornell Publications has all sorts of old manuals: https://www.cornellpubs.com 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cholla 1,663 Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 (edited) The 1967 Lyman manual had fiber wads listed. https://www.scribd.com/document/166710868/Lyman-Reloading-Handbook-44th-Edition-1967 https://www.cornellpubs.com/old-guns/item_desc.php?item_id=4892 Edited April 27 by Cholla 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joeronimo Caffiend 169 Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 "Available" at Amazon..... http://www.amazon.com/Mysteries-Shotgun-Patterns-Thompson-Oberfell/dp/0960309489/ref=sr_1_1/102-2612324-1761761?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1184429667&sr=8-1 Big oof! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
watab kid 1,367 Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 something id not considered , thatnks for planting the but in my ear/eye , i might want to do this too , Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pee Wee #15785 151 Posted April 27 Author Share Posted April 27 I have powder and primer but plastic wads are hard to come by so time to go old school, still have the MEC from the 70's I used. I have been told you can punch fiber wads out of the black fiber board used in framing houses, anyone know if this is true? I have several wad punches that years ago was used with muzzleloaders. I got a lot more information off this board than several shotgun boards I posted on. Thanks for the info now a hunten I go!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bailey Creek,5759 179 Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 Dixie Gun Works have them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John Kloehr 1,293 Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 12 hours ago, Joeronimo Caffiend said: "Available" at Amazon..... http://www.amazon.com/Mysteries-Shotgun-Patterns-Thompson-Oberfell/dp/0960309489/ref=sr_1_1/102-2612324-1761761?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1184429667&sr=8-1 Big oof! Plus $3.99 shipping! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John Kloehr 1,293 Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 Comparatively affordable copy in hardcover: https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?cm_sp=plpafe-_-all-_-hard&an=george oberfell&bi=h&n=100121503&sortby=17&tn=mysteries shotgun patterns Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Isom Dart, SASS#8096 112 Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 Pee Wee, ballisticproducts.com should have everything you need. Isom 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John Kloehr 1,293 Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 +1 for Ballistic Products, they also have a loading manual for brass shells for IIRC $15. @Pee Wee #15785As to the book under discussion earlier in this thread (Mysteries)... It is possible to buy a copy for as little as $42 including shipping. Anyway, I just snagged a copy for that price. Apply some good Google foo, there are likely other fairly-priced copies out there. Anyway, thanks @Mack Hacker, #60477 and @Joeronimo Caffiend for the pointer to this book. Other reviews suggest this is a great reference book for our sport. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pee Wee #15785 151 Posted April 28 Author Share Posted April 28 PB is out of most items or you can only getting very high count, ie 1000/bag Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BLACKFOOT SASS #11947 441 Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 From the bottom to top. Paper shells of course Powder Nitro Card Fiber Wad, (thickness varied according to components but it was selected to fill the completed round properly so as to have a good crimp) Shot Over shot card Crimp Blackfoot Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cholla Bob 98 Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 Lyman 42nd edition, Reloader's Handbook September 1960 has what you are looking for. What particular powder are you using it lists Hercules Unique, Alcan Super M, Alcan 101, Hercules Red Dot, Du Pont M-B, Du Pont PB, Alcan AL-5, and Alcan AL-7 and shot charge and I will list the info. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pee Wee #15785 151 Posted April 29 Author Share Posted April 29 I have Unique and Red Dot. Now off to buy a Lyman 42. Thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Constable Nelson #11784 96 Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 On 4/28/2021 at 8:31 PM, BLACKFOOT SASS #11947 said: From the bottom to top. Paper shells of course Powder Nitro Card Fiber Wad, (thickness varied according to components but it was selected to fill the completed round properly so as to have a good crimp) Shot Over shot card Crimp Blackfoot Works in plastic hulls too of course. No real "load info" required. Pick a powder charge and shot weight you want to use...adjust column height with wads. (I used to cut the shot cup off plastic wads and just use that cup it on top of the fibre wad.....with a normal star crimp of the (plastic) hull.... ) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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