Doc Nelson #19958 Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 So... no more Black MZ I hear. I have enough for this year of BP matches but next year? I have used Pyrodex, and 777, not fond of either but they were available. Found Black MZ and was going to use a lot more of it but I saw the posts about it being discontinued. Since Black MZ was so nice to shoot and clean up after I really don't want to go back to 777, what are my options? No, I don't want to use real and have to buy/make lubed bullets. I do use real for my shotshells as I picked up about 30 lbs from an old muzzle loader who had stock piled it in the 80's or so. I do use moly-coated bullets now, 38's, 44's and 45's. No, I don't like using fillers. I don't have a lot of spare time but occasionally I will go the extra work because I like to throw smoke and flame down range. When I shoot BP matches I am loading for 6 of us, simple and easy is necessary. Doc Nelson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 BuY 3F APP. You’ll be hard pressed to tell it from Black MZ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beartrap SASS#57175 Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 American Pioneer Powder (APP) is what you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlett Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 Black MZ was American Pioneer Powder - packaged for Alliant. I don’t know why Alliant stopped marketing it however, I don’t want you to think you’re stuck! I am now representing American Pioneer Powder (APP) for SASS shooters and would be glad to help you out! Please contact me at bulletsbyscarlett@gmail.com I will have it (FFF) at matches I attend but can also ship without much hassle or outrageous expense. Big hugs! Scarlett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michigan Slim Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 Scarlett's first class! There's your solution. Scarlett, tell Tommy I say hi. You get a hug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlett Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 Thanks @Michigan Slim! I’ve given Tommy your Hi! Thanks for the hug! Big hugs! Scarlett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Hangtree Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 19 minutes ago, Michigan Slim said: Scarlett's first class! There's your solution. I'll second that. Doc, call Miss Scarlett and she'll take care of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Foot Johnson Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 The great thing about BMZ was the price - $9.99, less any discounts, like veteran's discount or $10 off $50 purchase / $30 off $150 purchase coupons. Whenever I was in Sportsman's Warehouse, I'd always buy some. Between the BMZ and four cases of Pinnacle I picked up when it was discontinued, I've got enough to last til hell freezes over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palmetto Traveller Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 The APP 3F is your answer and Scarlett is a great source for App, bullets, Ballistol, etc.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 45 minutes ago, Three Foot Johnson said: The great thing about BMZ was the price - $9.99, less any discounts, like veteran's discount or $10 off $50 purchase / $30 off $150 purchase coupons. Whenever I was in Sportsman's Warehouse, I'd always buy some. Between the BMZ and four cases of Pinnacle I picked up when it was discontinued, I've got enough to last til hell freezes over. But what are you going to shoot next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 It was great while it lasted. I figure I have enough for two more years. Then we'll see. Grafs and Sons is convenient to me so real black powder would be no problem obtaining (other than filling out paperwork). But I'm shooting unlubed bullets with BlackMZ. I'd have to change out my bullets choice. I have been loading my shotgun shells with BlackMZ. That would be the first to switch to Grafs Reenactor. Switching back to Unique would be easiest choice as that's what Sawmill Mary shoots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward R S Canby, SASS#59971 Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 WC, your unlubed bullets will shoot fine with APP. Give it a try but switch to Reenactor for the SG shells to keep costs down. I mostly used MZ for shotgun shells but am moving towards all black powder now that I have equipment to lube. (It took me a few years to find the bargains I was seeking.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Hochbauer, SASS #64409 Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 If I were to go back to using a sub then APP is the way to go.Definitely contact Scarlett...………….worth it just for the hugs alone. 3f is the way to go when using APP. Sgt Hochbauer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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