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In this month's HANDGUNS magazine, usually a fairly good mag, there was an article called .44-40. It went on to explain about the old cartridge..blah..blah…In the pic accompanying the article there was a pic of two Uberti's , a SAA and a Schofield which the author called double action!!! :wacko: Anyone else see this?

 

OYVAY!!!!

 

Rye

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If you pull them at the same time, that's "double action."

Perhaps the article was nuanced a little ahead of the curve for most of the readership? Whadda ya think? :-)

:-)

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You know, I've often pondered why if you have to manually cock the hammer and then pull the trigger, it's a single action. But if you can fire the gun by just a pull of the trigger, it's a double action. Maybe the auther is just trying to set things straight?

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I've pretty much given up on all the gun magazines. For many years there has been a stack of them by "My Chair". I subscribed to several of them... but lately they have become littler more than a advertising flyer. What few pages they do have are 80% or more advertising. Yes... the subscription rate is very cheap because of the advertising, but I would rather pay the full news stand price and get a magazine that's worth reading. If you can find a stack of OLD gun magazines, they are full of good reading.... and the authors seemed to know what they were talking about.

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You know, I've often pondered why if you have to manually cock the hammer and then pull the trigger, it's a single action. But if you can fire the gun by just a pull of the trigger, it's a double action. Maybe the auther is just trying to set things straight?

No, he says the Uberti is single action and the Schofield is double action! It's a glaring error by someone who should know better! :wacko:

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Warden, it is called a single action because the trigger performs only one function: to drop the hammer.

 

In a double action revolver the trigger performs two functions: it cycles the cylinder and drops the hammer.

 

A DA revolver with an exposed hammer is properly called a DA/SA revolver since it can be operated in either mode.

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Warden, it is called a single action because the trigger performs only one function: to drop the hammer.

In a double action revolver the trigger performs two functions: it cycles the cylinder and drops the hammer.

A DA revolver with an exposed hammer is properly called a DA/SA revolver since it can be operated in either mode.

Abe

Of course, everyone on this end knows the difference. The issue is what Rye, Snakebite said and what I (jokingly) earlier referred to: an ignorant writer, out of their depth, making a glaring error and then, if they get called on it, most likely delivering a nonsensical explanation, insulting the reader further by insinuating that we just don't get it.

 

I quit reading those magazines because they do not deliver true evaluations, exposing both strengths and weaknesses of the weapons they evaluate, but pretty much are multi-page ads, paid for by multiple large ads throughout the issue by the featured manufacturers. AND, the so-called writers are simply hacks, grinding out copy. It takes maybe 5-10 minutes (if that) to go through the flyer, front-to-back. Wish it were different, but the magazines have been honed straight to the bottom line and rarely deliver full evaluations.

Cat Brules

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I dropped all of my gun magazine subscriptions years ago. I buy powder with the extry money. ;)

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If it were not stated so in the actual copy of the article then the author may well be innocent. Cut-lines to photos are not written by the author, they are written by lower paid (and that would mean starvation wages) underlings with zero knowledge of firearms

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If it were not stated so in the actual copy of the article then the author may well be innocent. Cut-lines to photos are not written by the author, they are written by lower paid (and that would mean starvation wages) underlings with zero knowledge of firearms

Perhaps so. However, I believe I would proof the final edit prior to it going to press with my by-line on it. Doesn't that make sense? Who would object to that in-house?

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There is no telling what the author actually wrote since it went through at least a copy editor and a layout editor after the article left his hands.

I sent an e-mail to the NRA American Rifleman when they had an article lst year on the fiftieth anniversary of the Model 1100 with a photo of a new 1100 laying near Winchestr AA shotshells. I guess that they forgot that Remington also made shotshells.

The worst that I have seen was in the early 1990s when Shooting Times had an article on the .38-40 and another article on the new .40S&W. Both articles had the exact same target with the same bullets holes!

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Perhaps so. However, I believe I would proof the final edit prior to it going to press with my by-line on it. Doesn't that make sense? Who would object to that in-house?

+1 ;) Exactly!!

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Warden, it is called a single action because the trigger performs only one function: to drop the hammer.

 

In a double action revolver the trigger performs two functions: it cycles the cylinder and drops the hammer.

 

A DA revolver with an exposed hammer is properly called a DA/SA revolver since it can be operated in either mode.

Not to nit pick, but....

Action refers to "What will the trigger do in regard to the hammer?" and only that question.

 

Single action means the trigger performs only a single action i.e. releasing the hammer from the cocked position.

The hammer must be cocked by some operation or mechanism other than the pull of the trigger.

Your thumb, the slide cycling, a forearm cycling or a lever cycling.

i.e Colt Single Action Army, 1911, Remington 870, Winchester 94, etc.

 

Double action means that manipulation of the trigger has the capability to cycle the hammer rearward AND release the hammer to fall.

Has no bearing on any other function of the firearm.

The turning of the cylinder is a function of the movement of the hammer - same in a single action revolver or double action revolver.

 

Then you have hybrids - that do not neatly fall into either camp.

Glock is the premier example - the cycling of the slide pre loads the striker, but does not fully place the striker into battery.

The motion of the trigger completes the rearward motion (cocking) of the striker and releases the striker to fire.

 

So some will claim the Glock is a Double Action pistol - because it meets the criteria of the trigger performing two actions

Others will place the Glock into the Single Action camp because the trigger "alone" cannot cock the firearm - it requires the slide cycling to ready the firearm for firing. The trigger pull alone will not drop the hammer again.

 

Re: your example of an exposed hammer DA/ SA revolver..

Minus the second shelf on the hammer, that revolver becomes a DA only firearm

(very popular 60's & 70's law enforcement/ security officer modification)

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These explanations of DA/SA etc. is all fine and dandy but let's get back to the topic, a Schofield is not double action, this magazine should know better than to print something like this! I sent an email letter and I hope all of you that get this mag whether on the newsstand or subscribe to it will give 'em HE&%!!!!

 

Rye

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Dropped my many subscriptions years ago when it became apparent articles were nothing but a regurgitation of the SOS printed ten, twenty, and thirty plus years ago. I pretty much stopped liking new guns when the tang safety Ruger 77 was phased out and everything grew a synthetic stock. Now Marlin is Remlin and the good ole Savage 99 is long gone.

 

Aside from the cyber Chronicle all I get now is Blackpowder Cartridge News, Muzzleloader Magazine, and the Rifleman. Anything else I want to know is completely searchable on the net and is always absolutely dependable for its accuracy! ;)

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I actually spent a day with all the sports writers for the gun rags a few years back. You would be surprised how little they actually knew about shooting, guns, camping or damn near anything else that didn't involve a keyboard.

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Perhaps so. However, I believe I would proof the final edit prior to it going to press with my by-line on it. Doesn't that make sense? Who would object to that in-house?

 

 

Nosir, that is not how it works. The writer sends in his article. The publisher/editors may then sit on it for months or even years. It may never see print. If and when it does the author has ZERO input as to cutlines, headlines etc etc. Sometimes the photos themselves are not even his.

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Nosir, that is not how it works. The writer sends in his article. The publisher/editors may then sit on it for months or even years. It may never see print. If and when it does the author has ZERO input as to cutlines, headlines etc etc. Sometimes the photos themselves are not even his.

You must have been in the mag business, but really how does a statement like this get by to print in HANDGUNS magazine???? This is totally careless or incompetent. They should be embarrassed by this. I can't believe some editor didn't catch this! :wacko:

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You must have been in the mag business, but really how does a statement like this get by to print in HANDGUNS magazine???? This is totally careless or incompetent. They should be embarrassed by this. I can't believe some editor didn't catch this! :wacko:

 

I can! I still occasionally pick up Guns of the Old West, if it strikes me and I really like that new magazine Gunslingers. Otherwise it is American Rifleman or nothing. What was it Egon said....yep, "Print is dead." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3v_ogRaTf4

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