Misty Moonshine Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 So disappointing, this is verified information. Follow the link below: Wounded Warrior Project Rejects Gun Owners, Gun Dealers, and Gun Manufacturers MM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Hi Misty, A different perspective can be found here. "Here is the WWP’s statement in full, and unedited: “We’ve had a lot of questions recently that started when we declined an opportunity to appear on Gun Talk Radio. We want to clarify and help answer some questions. We have seen through this process that the language on our website and our response to the invitation to appear on the show weren’t clear, and we are working on clarifying our approach. There is now much inaccurate information about WWP being anti-gun rights, an issue as an apolitical organization we do not take a stance on. We understand and appreciate that many of our Alumni are gun owners, and we facilitate multiple hunting and outdoor opportunities for our Wounded Warriors throughout the year. In the past, we made our logo available to appear on wide variety of products, including guns. As an organization, we owe it to our donors and constituents to maximize the return on investment of our dollars and brand. We are always looking at our business practices and whether we should continue with them in the future. In the case of cobranding, we’ve decided that we’re not going to offer our logo to appear on weapons anymore – whether they’re guns, knives, bows, swords, or any other type of weapon. There are still a few of the guns around for sale that had licensed our logo years ago, but there aren’t any new ones being made. This is purely a business decision based on a review of a return on investment, especially when compared with other types of cobranding ventures. Regarding the question of donations and events, we do permit fundraisers that are shooting and gun-related, such as gun raffles, shooting competitions, etc., and we’re incredibly appreciative of those who are willing to give their time to host or participate in an event. Likewise, we gratefully accept donations from companies and individuals connected with the gun industry. As indicated above, we know that hunting and shooting sporting events can be very therapeutic for many of the Wounded Warriors we serve, and we’re happy to work with the community to make these types of events available to our Alumni. Hunting and shooting sport enthusiasts are an incredibly supportive and generous community, and we’ve been honored by how often folks have opened their land and homes, and volunteered their time to make these types of events possible for our Alumni. We’re so sorry if it seemed that we didn’t appreciate that support with our confusing communication of a business decision. It certainly wasn’t our intention! I hope this post provides some clarity and helps answer some questions. We welcome the opportunity to have a warrior on Gun Talk Radio to discuss how hunting or events of the like have supported their recovery. We responded too quickly to his request and should have delved a bit deeper.” Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/15/wounded-warrior-project-issues-statement-on-gun-talk-radio-controversy/#ixzz2Ct3ZjdAg" Regards, Allie Mo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quick Draw Granpaw #48525 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Different prospective or not the fact is "They don't like guns" period! It's that simple. Quick Draw Grandpa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Okay, I posted the following on their FB page. "Why are you distancing yourself from gun sports and hunting? Forget the ROI stuff as that sounds nonsensical and give the real reason for the following statement, 'weve decided that were not going to offer our logo to appear on weapons anymore'." I'll try to let you know if they reply. FB friends can see for themselves. Regards, Allie Mo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 I sent them an email and told them that veterans deserved better than this. I also told them they're almost as bad as the Brady campaign. No more money for them. I help the wounded veterans with other sources, they're NOT the only org. that helps these brave folks! Rye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 I've had no contact with the WWP, but it seems like they are trying to do good things, serving a group that certainly can use all the support that they can get. From the longer quote, it also seems that they are trying to stay clear of the "pro-gun/anti-gun" controversy, and stay "apolitical". For a non-profit whose primary focus is not to encourage or discourage the shooting sports, this HAS to be a tough line. Some contributors and beneficiaries are gun owners/users, for whom 2nd Amendment rights are very significant. Getting beyond philosophical issues, I'm sure that some WW's like to shoot, and shooting events are probably theraputic for these folks. For others, gunfire may not help, or may be downright negative in effect. The same split probably exists in contributors - some may be attracted by a gun-friendly policy, while some may give a charity that licenses its mark to firearms a wide berth, and put their dollars elsewhere. I don't think I'd abandon this organization over a policy of not licensing their mark to weapons makers. They are not trying to ban or restrict guns, shooting or 2nd Amendment rights. They are using shooting sports as part of their program. And they are leaving the political debate over guns to others. Not everyone can or should be an advocacy group. LL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 I've had no contact with the WWP, but it seems like they are trying to do good things, serving a group that certainly can use all the support that they can get. From the longer quote, it also seems that they are trying to stay clear of the "pro-gun/anti-gun" controversy, and stay "apolitical". For a non-profit whose primary focus is not to encourage or discourage the shooting sports, this HAS to be a tough line. Some contributors and beneficiaries are gun owners/users, for whom 2nd Amendment rights are very significant. Getting beyond philosophical issues, I'm sure that some WW's like to shoot, and shooting events are probably theraputic for these folks. For others, gunfire may not help, or may be downright negative in effect. The same split probably exists in contributors - some may be attracted by a gun-friendly policy, while some may give a charity that licenses its mark to firearms a wide berth, and put their dollars elsewhere. I don't think I'd abandon this organization over a policy of not licensing their mark to weapons makers. They are not trying to ban or restrict guns, shooting or 2nd Amendment rights. They are using shooting sports as part of their program. And they are leaving the political debate over guns to others. Not everyone can or should be an advocacy group. LL +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Woodrow Cahill, SASS # 54363 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Tom Gresham's final word on the matter ... http://www.shootingwire.com/features/226802 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocWard Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Tom Gresham's final word on the matter ... http://www.shootingwire.com/features/226802 My financial situation dictates that I not give much to any organization right now, but based on Mr. Gresham's commentary, I think I can find other, better programs to give my support to. It does leave me wondering what their projected revenue would be if all support were removed by the firearms community as a whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother King, SASS #69031 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Well said: Take the longer view. Ebay blocked firearms from being listed. Paypal blocks the use of its service for buying guns. Google blocks guns, dealers and makers from searches in its shopping service. We have reports of banks closing the accounts of gun makers simply on the basis that they won't do business with the firearms industry. Each of these is a very public way of saying "We don't do business with 'those people'." Each is a way of saying that reasonable and responsible people should have nothing to do with the firearms business. We are being put into the same box as pornography. Sure, the Wounded Warrior Project is only too happy to take our money. They "allow" shoots and hunts as fundraisers, but they don't want their logo associated with us. They are saying in a very public way that they refuse to be associated with us. There are many org's now that help Vets and military families with an array of stated mission goals. Frankly, there are more than any one private individual could possibly support. Choose wisely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Hi Misty, A different perspective can be found here. "Here is the WWP’s statement in full, and unedited: “We’ve had a lot of questions recently that started when we declined an opportunity to appear on Gun Talk Radio. We want to clarify and help answer some questions. We have seen through this process that the language on our website and our response to the invitation to appear on the show weren’t clear, and we are working on clarifying our approach. There is now much inaccurate information about WWP being anti-gun rights, an issue as an apolitical organization we do not take a stance on. We understand and appreciate that many of our Alumni are gun owners, and we facilitate multiple hunting and outdoor opportunities for our Wounded Warriors throughout the year. In the past, we made our logo available to appear on wide variety of products, including guns. As an organization, we owe it to our donors and constituents to maximize the return on investment of our dollars and brand. We are always looking at our business practices and whether we should continue with them in the future. In the case of cobranding, we’ve decided that we’re not going to offer our logo to appear on weapons anymore – whether they’re guns, knives, bows, swords, or any other type of weapon. There are still a few of the guns around for sale that had licensed our logo years ago, but there aren’t any new ones being made. This is purely a business decision based on a review of a return on investment, especially when compared with other types of cobranding ventures. Regarding the question of donations and events, we do permit fundraisers that are shooting and gun-related, such as gun raffles, shooting competitions, etc., and we’re incredibly appreciative of those who are willing to give their time to host or participate in an event. Likewise, we gratefully accept donations from companies and individuals connected with the gun industry. As indicated above, we know that hunting and shooting sporting events can be very therapeutic for many of the Wounded Warriors we serve, and we’re happy to work with the community to make these types of events available to our Alumni. Hunting and shooting sport enthusiasts are an incredibly supportive and generous community, and we’ve been honored by how often folks have opened their land and homes, and volunteered their time to make these types of events possible for our Alumni. We’re so sorry if it seemed that we didn’t appreciate that support with our confusing communication of a business decision. It certainly wasn’t our intention! I hope this post provides some clarity and helps answer some questions. We welcome the opportunity to have a warrior on Gun Talk Radio to discuss how hunting or events of the like have supported their recovery. We responded too quickly to his request and should have delved a bit deeper.” Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/15/wounded-warrior-project-issues-statement-on-gun-talk-radio-controversy/#ixzz2Ct3ZjdAg" Regards, Allie Mo Too little, too late. Besides I don't believe them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Too little, too late. Besides I don't believe them. Instead of delving "a bit deeper" they just dug a deeper hole. It will be hard to climb out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Ray Hality, SASS# 37355 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Well, see what happens when you bite the hand that feeds you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 An article by Dave Dolbee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 That works for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apache Hawk 60642 Posted December 1, 2012 Share Posted December 1, 2012 Hi Misty, A different perspective can be found here. "Here is the WWP's statement in full, and unedited: "We've had a lot of questions recently that started when we declined an opportunity to appear on Gun Talk Radio. We want to clarify and help answer some questions. We have seen through this process that the language on our website and our response to the invitation to appear on the show weren't clear, and we are working on clarifying our approach. There is now much inaccurate information about WWP being anti-gun rights, an issue as an apolitical organization we do not take a stance on. We understand and appreciate that many of our Alumni are gun owners, and we facilitate multiple hunting and outdoor opportunities for our Wounded Warriors throughout the year. In the past, we made our logo available to appear on wide variety of products, including guns. As an organization, we owe it to our donors and constituents to maximize the return on investment of our dollars and brand. We are always looking at our business practices and whether we should continue with them in the future. In the case of cobranding, we've decided that we're not going to offer our logo to appear on weapons anymore – whether they're guns, knives, bows, swords, or any other type of weapon. There are still a few of the guns around for sale that had licensed our logo years ago, but there aren't any new ones being made. This is purely a business decision based on a review of a return on investment, especially when compared with other types of cobranding ventures. Regarding the question of donations and events, we do permit fundraisers that are shooting and gun-related, such as gun raffles, shooting competitions, etc., and we're incredibly appreciative of those who are willing to give their time to host or participate in an event. Likewise, we gratefully accept donations from companies and individuals connected with the gun industry. As indicated above, we know that hunting and shooting sporting events can be very therapeutic for many of the Wounded Warriors we serve, and we're happy to work with the community to make these types of events available to our Alumni. Hunting and shooting sport enthusiasts are an incredibly supportive and generous community, and we've been honored by how often folks have opened their land and homes, and volunteered their time to make these types of events possible for our Alumni. We're so sorry if it seemed that we didn't appreciate that support with our confusing communication of a business decision. It certainly wasn't our intention! I hope this post provides some clarity and helps answer some questions. We welcome the opportunity to have a warrior on Gun Talk Radio to discuss how hunting or events of the like have supported their recovery. We responded too quickly to his request and should have delved a bit deeper." Read more: http://dailycaller.c.../#ixzz2Ct3ZjdAg" Regards, Allie Mo Thank You Allie Mo, Now why would such a organization say such a thing ? It appears they are trying to double talk themselves out of a very bad situation and this has only served to make it worse. As you all may or may not know by now, I am a wounded vet....wounded in Operation Desert Storm. Now, each vet organization that wants money, I do extensive research on. And this is one has one of the worst track records. They seem to dig a much deeper hole than they could possibly ever hope to get out of. IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calico Mary Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 What are some of the better organizations that help veterans? When our son was over for Thanksgiving, I asked him what he wanted for Christmas. His reply was not to buy him anything, to donate the money to a charity like the Red Cross or something. Well, I don't object to the charitable contribution idea, but I don't care for the Red Cross, so I'm looking for a worthwhile organization or two. (Oh, and we will be giving him a few gifts as well, his father has a few ideas and the kid does need new front tires for his car....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anvil Al #59168 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 What are some of the better organizations that help veterans? When our son was over for Thanksgiving, I asked him what he wanted for Christmas. His reply was not to buy him anything, to donate the money to a charity like the Red Cross or something. Well, I don't object to the charitable contribution idea, but I don't care for the Red Cross, so I'm looking for a worthwhile organization or two. (Oh, and we will be giving him a few gifts as well, his father has a few ideas and the kid does need new front tires for his car....) Fisher House. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Thank You Allie Mo, Now why would such a organization say such a thing ? It appears they are trying to double talk themselves out of a very bad situation and this has only served to make it worse. As you all may or may not know by now, I am a wounded vet....wounded in Operation Desert Storm. Now, each vet organization that wants money, I do extensive research on. And this is one has one of the worst track records. They seem to dig a much deeper hole than they could possibly ever hope to get out of. IMHO. Dearest Apache Hawk, Thank you for everything. Since I posted that, I've read more and have lost respect for WWP. Not because they don't help vets. Rather because they are misguided about guns and show greed in taking money from folks who they refuse to show association with or appreciation for. Also, it appears that there are many more organizations helping vets without the exorbitant overhead of WWP and are willing to show support for our second amendment rights. Sincerely, Allie Mo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 What are some of the better organizations that help veterans? When our son was over for Thanksgiving, I asked him what he wanted for Christmas. His reply was not to buy him anything, to donate the money to a charity like the Red Cross or something. Well, I don't object to the charitable contribution idea, but I don't care for the Red Cross, so I'm looking for a worthwhile organization or two. (Oh, and we will be giving him a few gifts as well, his father has a few ideas and the kid does need new front tires for his car....) There are some links at the end of the article in post #14. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apache Hawk 60642 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Dearest Apache Hawk, Thank you for everything. Since I posted that, I've read more and have lost respect for WWP. Not because they don't help vets. Rather because they are misguided about guns and show greed in taking money from folks who they refuse to show association with or appreciation for. Also, it appears that there are many more organizations helping vets without the exorbitant overhead of WWP and are willing to show support for our second amendment rights. Sincerely, Allie Mo I read the same Allie Mo. How came these people do such a disgraceful thing ! It really makes me angry ! It is my sincerest hope that all SASS members turn against the WWP . And wave the American flag proudly in corporate's face while supporting our second amendment rights to the hilt ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apache Hawk 60642 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 What are some of the better organizations that help veterans? When our son was over for Thanksgiving, I asked him what he wanted for Christmas. His reply was not to buy him anything, to donate the money to a charity like the Red Cross or something. Well, I don't object to the charitable contribution idea, but I don't care for the Red Cross, so I'm looking for a worthwhile organization or two. (Oh, and we will be giving him a few gifts as well, his father has a few ideas and the kid does need new front tires for his car....) Other din da ones listed on post 3 14....DVA.....DISABLED VETERANS OF AMERICA is one more. Dat's da one I give generously two . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calico Mary Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Fisher House. There's an organization called Giving First that runs a website for Colorado charities where people can get more info on these charities and make online donations. One day a year, FirstBank of Colorado co-sponsors "Colorado Gives Day" by pledging an addition $300K in donations to be split among all the charities that receive donations through this website on that day. Today is it, so I made donations to the Fisher House in Aurora for my son, and our favorite cat shelter for my husband, hopefully they'll both get a little more from FirstBank as well. Thanks for the advice!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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