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I shot all antique guns for about three years. A well-known cowboy gunsmith looked at my Colt Bisley .32-20 (ca. 1902) and said, "CCI primers?". Now I shoot in Winchester primers in all loads, though I do have loads worked up for non-CAS with CCI primers. Many cowboys tuned their guns so such soft hammer springs that the guns will only ignite Federal primers. I want my guns useable for any situation and choose not to tune guns into toys. Personal choices....

Rye, Miss Mary, I bet we could start a whole new "history" thread that would have Miss Allie throw the whole lot of us out!

The only problems I've had with FTF's has been with 1 sleeve of Federal 209's and 1 sleeve of Winchester LP. The 209's were an 8 FTF's out of 2 boxes of reloads. I tried the ones that didn't go off in the barrel of my SxS to the barrel that did. And it wasn't just the one barrel. So I quit using those and went back to my Winchester 209's. Now like I said I use CCI magnum 209's now. NO FTF's with those either. The 1 sleeve of Winchester LP's I had trouble with wouldn't go off in either of the pistols or the rifle. There was IIRC 4 or 5 FTF's.

Rye, I don't know its source. I found it at the NY Public Library site. Regards, Allie

I've went through several hundred thousand rounds in my life, and can't recall having a primer failure with a reload with ANY brand of primer that could be directly attributed to the primer. Other folks have posted here about having X% failures with XXX brand primers and "I'll never use them again", but I'm inclined to believe there were circumstances involved other than a "bad primer".

I use Federal Primers. Winchester Is my 2nd choice. I do use CCI magnum shotgun primer though. They tend to burn a tad hotter and leaves dust instead of plastic goop in the barrels. It's odd that CCI primers are harder than Federal primers. Both are owned by the same company.

CCI primers work great for stock guns If you have light springs then Not so good .

You are correct in that this idea of putting the top shooters into a single category is nothing new.. Chorro Valley Regulators had the Magnificent 7... the top seven shooters at every match shot in the Magnificent 7 category the next month... It had one very nice advantage... it opened up the other categories for someone else to win, and..... it put the top shooters into direct competition with each other. It was a must do situation, so the shooter could not hide. I really use to like it... it gave me a goal trying to get into the top seven shooting BP. They stopped the practice a while back.. don't know why.. I like it. As for honoring the elite and ignoring the peons... that is just not correct... the elites as you call them, are the winners and they have always been recognized and always should be recognized. Of course there are those "T" ball types who think that everyone should get an award regardless of whether there was anyone else to compete against. A category like the one proposed puts the best against the best, and clears the floor for others to have a chance for their 15 sec of fame in their own category.

I use CCI primers and like 'em just fine. Never used anything else so I don't know any better. They go bang every time, are reasonably priced and are readily available. What else could a feller ask for?

+1. It would be a cool gun to have. If you ever buy one, Ill even load a few rounds of black powder for you. BOOM/FIRE/SMOKE!!!

I am the proud father of Tommy Hawk SASS No. 9107!!

You are not alone, my friend. I am obviously not good at this either.

If I were the condemned and allowed to choose between two, I'd choose a firing squad. But, ol' King Solomon had it right thousands of years ago. Ecclesiastes 8:11 (HCSB) 11: Because the sentence against a criminal act is not carried out quickly, the heart of the people is filled with the desire to commit crime.

I am pro death penalty. The problem is that, in too many cases, an agressive DA pushed for the death penalty without enough evidence. A jury was convinced of guilt, but a DA focused more on his or her reputation than the truth leading to a questionable conviction. Then it is like a hair in a biscuit: one is enough to cause doubt for the whole system. The death penalty should require witness and indisputable evidence. Set the bar very high but then allows a judicial review that takes no more than 30 days and then the sentence is carried out within a few weeks. Then the dp would be the deterent that it should be.

We don't use 13 year old kids to teach or do anything else for that matter. There are schools that have the kids sweep and clean the dojo. That isn't us. My son started to teach children at age 14 but by that time he had been training for 6 years held a black belt and was never unsupervised. He was paid and his tuition was covered. He did teach five days a week after school but was home every night in time to do his school work. Working there was his choice and kept it up till he was in college and he will still stop in and teach a class or two if he is in town and his schedule permits. I don't see any problem with a 13 year old with experience helping the younger kids before class with their homework if she is compensated and supervised. We do get kids who are dropped off after school by the school bus and are there an hour or more before class so help would be appreciated. But this child isn't experienced. As far as talking to both parents that isn't often an option. We get kids who are brought by mothers, grandparents, and siblings, fathers are rare. We teach in a fishbowl there is no place on the floor that cannot be seen by the parents and staff and parents are welcome and encouraged to stay.

Talking about an Evans and maybe some snubbies; you coming back to the Dark Side?

Sgt. Hockbauer: First, let’s remember the number one reason for joining SASS and shooting in your local Cowboy Action Shooting (CAS) Club…COMRADERY. It’s a time to get together, meet new people and talk about your passion for shooting vintage, albeit clone, firearms and dressing like a cowboy. Of course we would all like to be the fastest, but when you are just starting out, that should be the last thing on your mind or you will surely fail. As a newcomer to CAS, I can tell you that I have met several shooters who have given up on the sport, willing to sell their firearms and get into something else. They spent thousands of dollars getting the best equipment they could afford, only to take a loss, getting out. Everyone has a budget, a dollar amount that they can spend, and when first starting out, get the firearms you can afford. Keep in mind, that newcomers have to not only learn and obey the rules of the sport, but they need to get familiar with their firearms, exercise good gun safety and practice, practice and more practice. With that practice will come the speed, and if down the road, you feel you have maximized any particular firearm, AND you still enjoy the sport, you will either have your firearms gunsmithed, where possible, or upgrade to a faster more efficient firearm. At that juncture, you could either trade in the old firearm, or better yet, keep it as your second choice should your first choice firearm stop working during a match. A lot has been written about the Henry Big Boy rifles on the SASS Wire. I even started one myself back on May 30, 2016 entitled “Pros and Cons of the Henry Big Boy rifles” with over 2,605 views and 56 replies, both good and bad. If you haven’t already done so, there are a lot of good cowboy opinions on there. Myself, I have gone with the Henry Big Boy Silver in 357/38spl. The gun was acquired with the specific intent on providing documentation, both video and written notes, tracking the progression of a new shooter handling this gun from start to finish. I am hoping, after the first of the year (2017), to begin this journey and provide both video and commentary on the SASS Wire. I am excited about starting this journey and look forward to all the UPS and DOWNS that will come along the way, but more importantly, share this journey with you. She’s a beauty…… http://i1305.photobucket.com/albums/s547/fatherkitcoolgungarth/Henry%20Big%20Boy%20Silver%20357_zpsfrr5wuxd.jpg

Midway USA has no hazmat fees on some CCI primers.

Just to "Pile ON" with RRW, with OEM springs in your guns, ignition with CCI won't be a problem. Guns with reduced Main Springs, not so much. I use CCI Large Pistol in my OEM antique Coach Guns, which have OEM truck springs.

Howdy- I've taken to using my supply of CCI small pistol primers in my 9mms and .40 S&W ; Have gone through many thousands of CCI Large pistol as well, in 1911 variants and S&Ws using large primers; they do not let me down, no FTF . I use Winnies in most of my other Revolver ( SASS and other loads ) and lever rifle loads ( '66 and '73 ) were they perform without fail. As Federal have the softest cup, and are hardest to find, I save those for those few highly tuned guns we have; .38/357 original Vaqueros ( done up by Bob James, here in Phoenix ) and a PPC S&W Model 14 revolver done by the late Royce Weddle around the dawn of time ( or, at least, some of his early work ) in .38Special. THOSE guns require Feds for reliable "bang" on demand, and are joys to shoot . My Vaqueros and lever rifles CAN set off CCIs just fine, but I have run with Winchester the longest, without problems, for general use.

Some light sprins wont set off CCI primers. I use CCI exclusively for my hunting rounds. Never one miss fire in 25 years. I have had CCI primers not go off in my 66 with light springs . And same round did go off in my Ruger pistols . If you are using stock guns . You should have NO issues with CCI Primers.

had two ftf out of 100 , usually use Feds or Win and none with them...I have 900 more tho so I will make the hammer fail even more hard when i use them again, and I do like a fast hammer.

I use them almost exclusively for SASS. I started using them in cowboy shooting because that's what I could find at the time. I have used federals with great success as well, but never had a problem with CCI. I did buy 100 Winchester and had a 4% failure rate so I stopped using them and have stuck with my CCI primers since they have never failed me yet and I have easy local access to them. Keep in mind this is all large pistol primers. I have heard other tales of small pistol primers so I can't speak to that.

I got a sweet pair a few years ago. I could not bring myself to take them to a match and putting a mark on them so I sold them.

Thanks to G.E.P Box and K. B. Wilson. A tip of the old statistical hat!