restaurants with a liquor license

[Alpo]

I know that if you got a bar, at some point in the night you have to stop selling booze. 2:00 a.m., 4:00 a.m. . It seems to depend on where in the country you are as to what time you have to stop, but there is some time where you have to stop.

 

Now if your restaurant has a liquor license, I assume that it also has to stop selling at some point in the early morning.

 

My question is at what point can you start again?

 

I'm watching Roadhouse, for the first time in 10 or 15 years, and Swayze and Elliot and the doctor have gone to this restaurant in the early morning, and the two guys were drinking beers.

 

Just occurred to me to wonder why they can be served beer at 5:00 or 6:00 a.m.?

 

Would this be a real thing, or just simply Hollywood nonsense?

[Subdeacon Joe]

In California alcohol can be sold between the hours of 6:00 a.m. to 2:00 a.m.  That's uniform throughout the State.  

Florida is between 7:00 a.m. and 12:00 a.m. But that may vary by county.  And you can't buy on Sunday.  

 

[Creeker, SASS #43022]

I live in Nevada.

What is this "stop serving" thing you speak of?

[watab kid]

well , funny you should ask this as i just experienced it at a restraint i like here when we go to breakfast before going to gunshows in the area , 

 

my friends and i like this irish pub place here and a couple weeks ago we were there at 0730 in the morning , a couple in our party ordered OJ or tomato juice , i ordered a guiness [i like that with french toast on those days - had to wait till 0800 to get it but it tasted good , 

not sure if thats the law here or their rule , i just accepted it , 

 

about 30 miles south of here there is a "dry county" where you can never get served , we have those yet ...........closing time is 2AM by state law , last call a little before that , ive not seen that in decades 

 

 

[Ozark Huckleberry]

6 hours ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

And you can't buy on Sunday.  

Maybe in California. In Florida, local authority has most control. Only a couple of counties prohibit Sunday sales, and if I remember what I've heard right, I think Miami allows sales 24/7.

 

IIRC, Roadhouse was set in kind of a backwoods place, anyway. Lots of relatively harmless 'look the other way' stuff used to go on in rural places.

[Subdeacon Joe]

1 hour ago, Ozark Huckleberry said:

Maybe in California. In Florida, local authority has most control.

 

No:

8 hours ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

In California alcohol can be sold between the hours of 6:00 a.m. to 2:00 a.m.  That's uniform throughout the State.  

I  didn't mention Sunday in connection with California. 

 

 

The Florida site  I looked at made it seem that hours of sales could vary by county but sales were banned on Sunday throughout the state. 

[Subdeacon Joe]

5 hours ago, watab kid said:

0730 in the morning

 

As opposed to 0730 in the evening.   

(Yes, I'm being a jerk)

[Cypress Sun]

1 hour ago, Ozark Huckleberry said:

Maybe in California. In Florida, local authority has most control. Only a couple of counties prohibit Sunday sales, and if I remember what I've heard right, I think Miami allows sales 24/7.

 

 

In Pinellas County, Sunday sales used to be prohibited, then they allowed sales after 1:00pm, then they lowered the time to 11:00am (so that no one missed the kickoff), then the County decided to let the individual cities set the time for Sunday sales. Some cities start at 8:00am and others start at 11:00am. All of Pinellas County had a 2:00 am cut off time...so....at 2:00am, all the drunks used to haul ass over to the Hillsborough County line bars because they have a 3:00am cut off time, then Pinellas changed the cut off to 3:00am.

 

The old saying around here is that after 2:00am the only thing on the roads are drunks and cops.

 

Edit - To answer Alpo's question, in Pinellas County at least, sales of alcohol are prohibited between the hours of 3:00am to 8:00am.

Edited March 30 by Cypress Sun

[Rye Miles #13621]

Ohio liquor sales are prohibited  from 2:30am to 5:30 am 

[Subdeacon Joe]

33 minutes ago, Cypress Sun said:

then Pinellas changed the cut off to 3:00am.

 

That brings to mind 

 

 

[Ozark Huckleberry]

53 minutes ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

The Florida site  I looked at made it seem that hours of sales could vary by county but sales were banned on Sunday throughout the state. 

No backatcha. Your site is wrong (or misleading).

 

Lived here (FL) since late 70s, owned a sports bar. Won't tell you how things are in CA, but I know how things are here.

 

But don't take my word for it: Florida statute regarding hours of alcohol sales.

 

562.14 Regulating the time for sale of alcoholic and intoxicating beverages; prohibiting use of licensed premises.—

(1) Except as otherwise provided by county or municipal ordinance, no alcoholic beverages may be sold, consumed, served, or permitted to be served or consumed in any place holding a license under the division between the hours of midnight and 7 a.m. of the following day. This section shall not apply to railroads selling only to passengers for consumption on railroad cars.

(2) Except as otherwise provided by county or municipal ordinance, no vendor issued an alcoholic beverage license to sell alcoholic beverages for consumption on the vendor’s licensed premises and whose principal business is the sale of alcoholic beverages, shall allow the licensed premises, as defined in s. 561.01(11), to be rented, leased, or otherwise used during the hours in which the sale of alcoholic beverages is prohibited. However, this prohibition shall not apply to the rental, lease, or other use of the licensed premises on Sundays after 8 a.m. Further, neither this subsection, nor any local ordinance adopted pursuant to this subsection, shall be construed to apply to a theme park complex as defined in s. 565.02(6) or an entertainment/resort complex as defined in s. 561.01(18).

 

(ETA: 1 - emphasis added. 2 - The only mention of 'Sunday' in the statute is here 3 - Yes, 2023 statute, but not significantly changed re date/time of liquor sales)

Edited March 30 by Ozark Huckleberry

[Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984]

Ages ago I went to Philly on business. Went to dinner and ordered a beer.

”can’t serve alcohol until the polls close.”

[Subdeacon Joe]

39 minutes ago, Ozark Huckleberry said:

No backatcha. Your site is wrong (or misleading).

 

 

That's why I wrote ''seem"

 

Here's the text I read

"Beer, wine, and liqueurs can be purchased in retail stores, grocery, and convenient stores in Florida. Spirits are available in retail package stores. Bars and restaurants stop serving alcohol between 1 a.m. and 7 a.m. Alcohol is not sold on Sunday"
 

[Alpo]

3 hours ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

but sales were banned on Sunday throughout the state. 

My first job was a bad boy (I think one of the most annoying things is when otto steps in on the first sentence. BAGBOY.) at a grocery store on the beach. The beach is full of tourists. One Sunday, about the second week of my employment, a tourist asked me if she could buy beer on Sunday.

 

The idea of not being able to buy beer because it was Sunday was such a surprise to me. I told her of course she could.

 

Several years later I'm visiting a friend in Flowery Branch Georgia. That's a itty bitty town north of Atlanta. And while we're conversing someone knocks on the door. She goes to the door and they talk for a while, and then she goes in the kitchen and comes back with a six pack of beer and he hands her some money and away he goes. And she came back and sat down she told me that she had just become a bootlegger.

 

The neighbor had a visitor, and they had run out of beer, so he came over and bought some from her. Because apparently it is illegal in the Atlanta area - I don't know if it is in the entire state, but in the Atlanta area - to sell beer on Sunday. So he couldn't just slide down to the friendly 7-Eleven and pick up a six pack.

Edited March 30 by Alpo

[Sedalia Dave]

Back in the mid 80s I was stationed at NAS Key West Florida. All but two establishments in the Florida Keys stopped selling/serving alcohol at 0200. The two that didn't were the Municipal Airport Lounge and the Boca Chica Bar. No first had experience but I was told that the bar at the municipal airport would sell and serve alcohol 24 hours a day. However they had a policy of not serving patrons that were unruly and the bouncer would immediately escort you out.

 

The Boca Chica Bar aka the Boca Chica Knife and Gun Club, sold alcohol 23 hours a day. However for that 1 hour that they couldn't sell alcohol they would still serve it as long as you paid for it in advance. Bar had these special markers that you could redeem for a drink but you had to buy them during the 23 hours they could sell alcohol.

 

Was only in  that place once and that was three times too many. Was out with my shipmates  shortly after arriving in the Keys and we went there after closing down all the other bars. Scariest place I have ever been in. They buzzed you in the front door where you wound up in a short chain link hallway with a metal detector. If you passed, then a pair of really big and scary bouncers let you through another door and into the bar. You could feel the tension of that place press inwards on you. After getting in I immediately found the exit and got the hell out of there.  NEVER went back.

 

Soon found out that despite the metal detector most of the patrons were carrying a knife, a gun or both and were not afraid to use them.

[Alpo]

Boca Chica? The little girl's mouth?

 

Yeah that sounds like a nice place to go get a friendly drink.

[Sedalia Dave]

23 minutes ago, Alpo said:

Boca Chica? The little girl's mouth?

 

Yeah that sounds like a nice place to go get a friendly drink.

 

Far From it. Bar was located on Stock Island right off US 1. When I was stationed there, the commercial fishing boats were based at Stock Island. Not a good place to be after dark. Those sailors were tough and always looking for a way to entertain themselves.

 

Boca Chica Key is where the Naval Air Station is located. During WWII, the Navy had a Submarines based out of there as well. The sub pens were on the other side of US 1. The old sub pens were a good place to fish.

Edited March 30 by Sedalia Dave

[Sedalia Dave]

3 minutes ago, Sedalia Dave said:

 

Far From it. Bar was located on Stock Island right off US 1. When I was stationed there, the commercial fishing boats were based at Stock Island. Not a good place to be after dark. Those sailors were tough and always looking for a way to entertain themselves.

 

Boca Chica Key is where the Naval Air Station is located. During WWII, the Navy had a Submarines based out of there as well. The sub pens were on the other side of US 1. The old sub pens were a good place to fish.

 

 

That was 40 years ago. and I haven't been back since.  Doubt I'd recognize the place.

[Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933]

The 21st Amendment repealed prohibition.  It has three short clauses.  The operative clause reads:

 

Section 2

The transportation or importation into any State, Territory, or possession of the United States for delivery or use therein of intoxicating liquors, in violation of the laws thereof, is hereby prohibited.

 

This means each state has the sole authority to regulate liquor in that state.  In many cases the states have provisions allowing counties and cities to set their own regulations.  So, for example, some states have dry counties while other counties allow liquor sales.

[Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438]

1 hour ago, Alpo said:

Boca Chica? The little girl's mouth?

 

Yeah that sounds like a nice place to go get a friendly drink.

 

Note quite.

 

Boca Chica means "small mouth" in a literal translation.  It is a common place name, with use in FL, TX, CA and the Dominican Republic.  In this usage, "chica" means small, not girl.

 

LL

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[watab kid]

15 hours ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

 

As opposed to 0730 in the evening.   

(Yes, I'm being a jerk)

well , in my world the evening would be 1930 , i get that the morning/evening reference was redundant tho , but isnt that the military way ? just a question of refence i thought some might catch but i get your point , redundancy for redundancies sake is  almost like a double negative - prone to an obtuse interpretation , 

[Subdeacon Joe]

1 hour ago, watab kid said:

well , in my world the evening would be 1930 , i get that the morning/evening reference was redundant tho , but isnt that the military way ? just a question of refence i thought some might catch but i get your point , redundancy for redundancies sake is  almost like a double negative - prone to an obtuse interpretation , 

 

I'll give you that it wasn't as bad as reporters saying "7:30 a.m. in the morning."   It's one of the peeves in my menagerie.   

"Hot water heater," which I guess could be a device to take already heated water and superheat it under pressure.  

"Tuna fish," as opposed to tuna poultry,  or tuna swine.

[Alpo]

You must be too far north to have a lot of Mexicans around where you live.

 

Tuna is the fruit of the prickly pear cactus. In Mexican Spanish.

 

Tuna fish, however, lives in the ocean. It does not grow in the desert.

[watab kid]

11 minutes ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

 

I'll give you that it wasn't as bad as reporters saying "7:30 a.m. in the morning."   It's one of the peeves in my menagerie.   

"Hot water heater," which I guess could be a device to take already heated water and superheat it under pressure.  

"Tuna fish," as opposed to tuna poultry,  or tuna swine.

i do understand how these things could and are offensive to those that use words correctly , ive found over the years that some people just dont understand that and use what they think they heard in any context that suites them , 

 

but these are a bit less offensive to my mind than the use of "AX" in lieu of 'ask' and such , the prior implies an attempt not to be misunderstood [ie: 730am, in the morning] the latter implies a lack of grasp of any kind of English language skills , BUT , dont get me wrong i get the ethic implications , potential lack of educational understanding and the fact that i just picked the one word that opens me up to lots of criticism - i was trying to be direct - i could have as easily used the example of   "iregardless" - now there is a double negative for you that is commonly used and abused , 

i know a double negative does not equate to the redundant but equally as irritating at times , sorry if a drug my fingernails accross the chalkboard - not my intent , ido enjoy that some actually read whats said and reflect , 

 

but some of us just read it then add or move on , that was intended to be an "add on" , its fun to know that others here are reflecting on words / phrases  / and meanings tho , i like it , 

[watab kid]

7 hours ago, Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438 said:

 

Note quite.

 

Boca Chica means "small mouth" in a literal translation.  It is a common place name, with use in FL, TX, CA and the Dominican Republic.  In this usage, "chica" means small, not girl.

 

LL

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

interesting , not knowing spanish is a drawback these days , 

[watab kid]

27 minutes ago, Alpo said:

You must be too far north to have a lot of Mexicans around where you live.

 

Tuna is the fruit of the prickly pear cactus. In Mexican Spanish.

 

Tuna fish, however, lives in the ocean. It does not grow in the desert.

  i knew that and didnt at the same time if you get what i am saying , i know where to find fish but i know very little of cactus - and yup , im a long way north these days but still south of the Canadian boarder far enough to miss that illegal inversion so far 

[Subdeacon Joe]

42 minutes ago, watab kid said:

but these are a bit less offensive to my mind than the use of "AX" in lieu of 'ask' and such

 

Axe in that context is perfectly good English.  Goes back about 1200 years, and derives from the Old English "acsian".  Chancer used it as "ax," in the  Cloverdale Bible Jesus says,  "Axe and it shall be given."  Even The Bard used it, but then, he played fast and  loose with the English language.  Into the 1800s it was common in the New England,  Mid-Atlantic,  and Appalachian regions. 

It's now somewhat archaic,  or snubbed as lower class, ignorant,  or black dialect, but still proper English. 

 

 

[Subdeacon Joe]

1 hour ago, Alpo said:

You must be too far north to have a lot of Mexicans around where you live.

 

Tuna is the fruit of the prickly pear cactus. In Mexican Spanish.

 

Can't swing a dead cat without hitting a Mexican market around here.   I've never seen it tagged as tuna in a Mexican market.   They sell it as Nopales or fruta de nopales .  Of course,  in Mexican Spain,  heck,  all Latin American Spanish,  both lemons and limes are Limon.  Makes reading receipts challenging sometimes because of the different flavors they have.  

[watab kid]

1 hour ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

 

Axe in that context is perfectly good English.  Goes back about 1200 years, and derives from the Old English "acsian".  Chancer used it as "ax," in the  Cloverdale Bible Jesus says,  "Axe and it shall be given."  Even The Bard used it, but then, he played fast and  loose with the English language.  Into the 1800s it was common in the New England,  Mid-Atlantic,  and Appalachian regions. 

It's now somewhat archaic,  or snubbed as lower class, ignorant,  or black dialect, but still proper English. 

 

 

interesting , ill ,not subscribe to all of the reasons you give but will admit that i found it less than educated english , ive always thought to use my axe to chop firewood and ask the question i wanted answered , but then im not a scholar of old/traditional english , nor do i assume simply because it has biblical use that its an accepted use , 

 

ill give you that if its traditionally been used then i must stand corrected but interesting that its never come up as accepted in my past studies , granted thats a long time ago and i may have been taking the wrong classes to get that enlightenment , 

[Subdeacon Joe]

5 hours ago, watab kid said:

ill give you that if its traditionally been used then i must stand corrected but interesting that its never come up as accepted in my past studies , granted thats a long time ago and i may have been taking the wrong classes to get that enlightenment , 

 

It's one of those "Everybody Knows" things that people just accept.  I had accepted it too.  I first ran across it in print when I was in my early 20s in the Cloverdale Bible - I had 5 or 6 different translations spread out around me to dispute the "It's a mistranslation" assertation by someone.  "Hmmm.....that's interesting, " I thought to myself.  That caused me to delve into it a bit deeper.

I think the "Everybody Knows" that it's not proper English is because it wasn't used in the universities and high society salons of the early 1800s.  Yes, used by the "uneducated" but "uneducated" doesn't mean unintelligent.  It's just a different dialect.  Sort of like for soft drinks - are they soda, pop, or coke?  Shopping cart or buggy?  Do you press a button or mash a button?

[Alpo]

1 hour ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

Do you press a button or mash a button

Actually I push a button.

 

While we are on the subject of old words, ain't.

 

I grew up hearing that "ain't ain't a word". Although almost everybody I knew used it. I discovered that ain't IS a word. It is the contraction of "am not". So you should actually only use it when saying "I ain't", or "ain't I". While I occasionally have heard somebody say "ain't" WELL DAMN, otto ISN'T GOING TO LET ME WRITE IT.

 

A M N ' T (pronounced AMmunt). HE KEEPS CHANGING IT TO AIN'T

 

But either ain't or a m n ' t simply has to be better than "aren't I", or "I aren't". Are is plural, I is singular, so you would not say "I are not", but "I aren't" is acceptable?

 

What it is is people using the wrong words, so they will not have to use the word "ain't", which they consider to be low class and ignorant.

[watab kid]

14 hours ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

 

It's one of those "Everybody Knows" things that people just accept.  I had accepted it too.  I first ran across it in print when I was in my early 20s in the Cloverdale Bible - I had 5 or 6 different translations spread out around me to dispute the "It's a mistranslation" assertation by someone.  "Hmmm.....that's interesting, " I thought to myself.  That caused me to delve into it a bit deeper.

I think the "Everybody Knows" that it's not proper English is because it wasn't used in the universities and high society salons of the early 1800s.  Yes, used by the "uneducated" but "uneducated" doesn't mean unintelligent.  It's just a different dialect.  Sort of like for soft drinks - are they soda, pop, or coke?  Shopping cart or buggy?  Do you press a button or mash a button?

ive never thought an undereducated person was unintelligent , im trying to learn something new every day , im undereducated in that sense but striving to improve that situation , 

[Subdeacon Joe]

25 minutes ago, watab kid said:

ive never thought an undereducated person was unintelligent , im trying to learn something new every day , im undereducated in that sense but striving to improve that situation , 

 

In general society equates education with intelligence.  Most of us here know that that isn't necessarily true.  I've known people with advanced degrees who, outside of their specialty,  were dumb as a rock. As in can't figure out how to work a P38 can opener.

And then people like my dad who had a 6th grade education but was an expert electrician, I don't say master because that has education and testing implications,  and ran the maintenance department at a sand mining and processing plant.   

[Ozark Huckleberry]

On 3/31/2024 at 12:35 AM, Subdeacon Joe said:

Axe in that context is perfectly good English.  Goes back about 1200 years, and derives from the Old English "acsian".  Chancer used it as "ax," in the  Cloverdale Bible Jesus says,  "Axe and it shall be given."  Even The Bard used it, but then, he played fast and  loose with the English language.  Into the 1800s it was common in the New England,  Mid-Atlantic,  and Appalachian regions. 

It's now somewhat archaic,  or snubbed as lower class, ignorant,  or black dialect, but still proper English. 

"Proper English" -- if intentional in use.

 

But it really seems more like you're dredging up archaic usages to confer dignity on the result of what is essentially speaking lazily.

Edited April 1 by Ozark Huckleberry

[Subdeacon Joe]

4 hours ago, Ozark Huckleberry said:

"Proper English" -- if intentional in use.

 

But it really seems more like you're dredging up archaic usages to confer dignity on the result of what is essentially speaking lazily.

 

Nope.  I was using those archaic references to show continuity through the centuries.  If that's what they grew up hearing, it's not "speaking lazily."  Just received pronunciation.  See my comments about soda/pop/coke.  Or press/mash a button - to which Alpo tossed in "push."  Which is correct?  None?  All?  TomAto?  TomAHto? We say "hood" and "trunk" Brits say "bonnet" and "boot."  Which is correct? 

My point is that "axe" in the context of "axing a question" isn't lazy, isn't incorrect, isn't ignorant, it's just a part of the rich history of the bastard language we call English.  How does it go?  “The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.”  No more "lazy" than dressing in late 19th century garb and pretending to be stuck in 1895.  
 

Oh....one more thing, while the "uneducated" or "lazy" people, myself included, spell the received pronunciation as "axe" or "ax" (another Brit v. US difference) the proper spelling should be "acs" or "aks."  Both "ask" and "axe" come from the same root, "acsian," which has an alternate spelling of "ascian."  I suspect that when learning what the natives spoke it was easier for the occupation forces of William the Usurper to say "ascian" than "acsian" as it has a sound more familiar in their bastardized Norman French. 

 

Hmmm.......on the subject of Norman French take a look at some of our food words, swine on the hoof, but pork on the table, kine  in  the field, but beef in the kitchen, chicken (oldest reference I can find is chekenys from the late 1300s, which is post Norman invasion) or "fowl"  on the wing, but poultry on the spit.  The English peasants raised and butchered the swine, kine, and fowl and Norman aristocrats ate pork, beef, and poultry.