Opinion time

[Alpo]

This guy is applying for a job. He wanted to look good, so he's going to wear a necktie. He's never worn a tie before, so he had to have someone tie it for him.

 

And here he is. Ready to go in and talk to them at HR.

 

 

Would the loose tie and unbutton collar make a difference to you if you were the higherer/firerer of that business?

 

I don't like neckties. But he would make a better impression on me with no tie and his collar open than like that.

[Subdeacon Joe]

I'd rather see no tie than a sloppy one.  It might not be a complete deal breaker, but it screams to me that the person doesn't care.

[Alpo]

That's a problem that I had with Booth, in the TV show Bones.

 

His tie was always pulled down a half inch or so, his collar was never buttoned. He always wore long sleeve shirts but he never buttoned the cuffs (you can see the unbuttoned shirt sleeves up his suit coat sleeves).

 

He just looked - sloppy.

[Pat Riot]

If it was a hot day, no, but then why wear a jacket? 
 

I have done hundreds of interviews for a variety of positions. . I can tell you from experience that a guy dressed like that is lazy. Period. He put no effort into his appearance so why should I put any effort into hiring him. 

Now, if he outright lost the tie I would have more appreciation for that. 
If he lost the jacket that would be even better. 

If the job he was applying for required a tie and maybe even a sports jacket or suit.  He wouldn’t even get to sit down if his resume was mediocre or worse. 
 

Life’s to short to entertain idiots and lazy people. 
 

I have had guys show up in basketball tear away jump suits and sideways ball caps. I have also had them leave shortly after arriving. 
If permitted by HR I always photograph interviewees. It helps me remember them and if I send them packing no one is going to question it if the guy shows up looking like a dirtbag for a technical or professional position. 

[Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967]

Aahh, neckties.  "The Collar of Servitude," as my old pard Bob "Stewballs" Stuart referred to them back in the days when they were required for daily wear for both of us.

 

As Joe said above, it would not be a deal breaker for me as an interviewer.  But I would not necessarily consider it "not caring;" indeed, I would first consider the liklihood of the applicant not being familiar with the things.  Especially if the wearing of a necktie was not a job requirement.

 

Now, a couple of anecdotes:

 

A few years ago I participated in an advancement review board for the Sheriff's Department Explorer Post.  As I recall, there were three young adults considered for promotion to a leadership position.  Just before we began, the deputy in charge got a phone call from a buddy at the CHP office about a half-mile away.  After the call he came into the interview room and shared with us that a young Sheriff Explorer had stopped at the CHP office to ask for instructions on how to tie his necktie before his interview.  He did not want his interviwers to know that he had never, ever before worn a tie.  

 

Needless to say, we all had a good laugh - and did NOT let the youngster know that we knew.  Oh... and as I recall, he did get his promotion.  

 

So in a closet upstairs I still have something like eighty ties.  These are mostly leftovers from my banking career (I bailed when I came to my senses some thirty years ago).  At this point in my life, necktie wearing is reserved for funerals and weddings - unfortunately, not enough weddings.  And, out of that number, aged as they are I can still find a few that are acceptably stylish.

 

But the point of this is that there are eighty or so remaining.  There used to be a LOT more!  But when Sassparilla Kid was a little kid, he and I were active in YMCA Indian Guides.  And a popular Indian Guides event was our annual Kite Fly.  And I discovered early on that neckties made absolutely wonderful Kite Tails - sometimes a large kite would require multiple ties.

 

"Hey, Sleeping Buffalo!  What kind of tail is that on your son's kite?"

 

"Wal... that particular kite's wearing two YSL's and a Bill Blass."  

 

[Subdeacon Joe]

1 hour ago, Alpo said:

His tie was always pulled down a half inch or so, his collar was never buttoned. He always wore long sleeve shirts but he never buttoned the cuffs

 

Once he is established in the position, that's another matter.  Same for if it's late in the day.  Loosen the tie, unbutton the collar.

 

Shirt cuffs, if I have a LSS on and I'm having to do a lot of reaching, or moving my arms around, I unbutton them.

 

If visitors are expected, do everything back up just before they are supposed to arrive.

[Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770]

2 hours ago, Alpo said:

That's a problem that I had with Booth, in the TV show Bones.

 

His tie was always pulled down a half inch or so, his collar was never buttoned. He always wore long sleeve shirts but he never buttoned the cuffs (you can see the unbuttoned shirt sleeves up his suit coat sleeves).

 

He just looked - sloppy.

When Booth had to start going to a shrink after shooting the clown, the shrink mentioned that he dressed like that as a kind of rebellion. I really liked the 1851 Officers belt buckle he wore in the first couple seasons.

[Alpo]

I thought that was a reference to his funky socks and his COCKY belt buckle.

[Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770]

1 hour ago, Alpo said:

I thought that was a reference to his funky socks and his COCKY belt buckle.

The first two seasons, I think, he wore the 1851 buckle. For a while in the third season, after seeing the shrink, Booth started dressing a little better, including a more normal buckle. Later he started with the COCKY buckle, and slacking off his attire again. 

I also liked the British shrink better than the squirrel that replaced him. He was funnier.

[Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933]

A lot of these people on TV and in real life have also never discovered a comb either.  I saw a segment on the news a few days ago where businesses are hiring protocol and appearance officers.  Seems starting with dress down Friday, then the current generation and covid and people are showing up to work dressing and acting and talking like bums.  Companies are realizing customer's want service and some degree of decorum when the visit their businesses.

[Lone Spur Jake SASS #7728]

Uh, this is the USA in 2023, and at least the gentleman is not wearing a dress, a bra, fake boobies and ladies makeup and 6" high heels.

[Lone Spur Jake SASS #7728]

"Hard to get good help these days."

[Kid Rich]

11 hours ago, Lone Spur Jake SASS #7728 said:

Uh, this is the USA in 2023, and at least the gentleman is not wearing a dress, a bra, fake boobies and ladies makeup and 6" high heels.

Dreamin again Jake ?

kR

[Duffield, SASS #23454]

11 hours ago, Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 said:

A lot of these people on TV and in real life have also never discovered a comb either.

 

BrylCream is still  available.  Unfortunately I  don't have  anything to  use it on.

[Forty Rod SASS 3935]

21 hours ago, Alpo said:

This guy is applying for a job. He wanted to look good, so he's going to wear a necktie. He's never worn a tie before, so he had to have someone tie it for him.

 

And here he is. Ready to go in and talk to them at HR.

 

 

Would the loose tie and unbutton collar make a difference to you if you were the higherer/firerer of that business?

 

I don't like neckties. But he would make a better impression on me with no tie and his collar open than like that.

I agree.  If it's worth doing it's worth doing right.

[Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933]

4 hours ago, Duffield, SASS #23454 said:

BrylCream is still  available.  Unfortunately I  don't have  anything to  use it on.

 

 

[watab kid]

i was in that position for about 30 years and yes i agree no tie if you dont wear it right for the interview  , open collar fine , but since i myself was seen like that at the end of the day often id not be all that judgemental , i wore a tie for all of 40 years i hated them , i often loosened my tie and undid my collar ...........i dont ever wear a tie anymore and my collar is undone even when "dressing up" these days , i still have a couple ties in the closet to help me remember why i hate them , 

[Kid Rich]

Ties were just designed to cover up yer missin buttons.

kR