Pee Wee #15785 Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 https://gunsmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/G1057.pdf page 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Creek Jack Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 I have Elmer Keiths book "Hell I was there" it is a really good read. SCJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 Interesting how Keith says to not to do max loads and leave that to the factory. I mean, wasn't he infamous for hotrodding stuff as much as he could? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 30 minutes ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said: Interesting how Keith says to not to do max loads and leave that to the factory. I mean, wasn't he infamous for hotrodding stuff as much as he could? From the things I have read about him and the creation of the .44 mag, yes, he was notoriously famous in my opin about sup'n his reloads up. ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder SASS #13056 Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 In his books he explains that his goal was for about 1200 f/s for the Magnum. When he reviewed the factory loads he felt they were excessive being about 1450 f/s. That was a time before we had the better pressure measures. Once we go tools to measure shorter time frames, most makers reduced bot the 357 Mag and 44 Mag loads about 100 f/s less. That is one reason to be careful of 50 year old and older loading manuals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assassin Posted June 25, 2021 Share Posted June 25, 2021 23 minutes ago, Marauder SASS #13056 said: In his books he explains that his goal was for about 1200 f/s for the Magnum. When he reviewed the factory loads he felt they were excessive being about 1450 f/s. That was a time before we had the better pressure measures. Once we go tools to measure shorter time frames, most makers reduced bot the 357 Mag and 44 Mag loads about 100 f/s less. That is one reason to be careful of 50 year old and older loading manuals. I'm pretty sure he loaded using the case as a dipper. He blew up a few guns with his R & D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Bullweed Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 200 grain LRN over 5.2 grains of American Select or 5.0 grains of Reddot is a good SASS load for me. Not a mousefart load but goid enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACKFOOT SASS #11947 Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 If you shoot a few max loads using data from a good manual and 300 grain bullets you will understand why EK said not to go over recommended loads. Just a few, it won't take many and you will probably have some left. Blackfoot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoken D Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 44 Mag Hornady 240gr HPXTP Hand Load 20 yards exit wound Thompson Contender 15" barrel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 9 hours ago, BLACKFOOT SASS #11947 said: If you shoot a few max loads using data from a good manual and 300 grain bullets you will understand why EK said not to go over recommended loads. Just a few, it won't take many and you will probably have some left. Blackfoot Oh, sure. I mean, heck, I fired one, just one round of factory ammo out of my Uberti SAA in the caliber. I doubt very much that I'll ever fire anything that powerful out of it ever again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michigan Slim Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 Full house .44s are pussycats out of a rifle. Not real pleasant out of my Super Blackhawks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACKFOOT SASS #11947 Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 Slim you are correct. Heavy loads are not hard on the shooter in a rifle. The 300 grain bullets that I am familiar with will not work in a rifle and it is so noted on the box. Blackfoot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michigan Slim Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 I saved all my 300 grainers for use in a .444. They were rough on me with my Blackhawks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roscoe Regulator Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 I finally landed on a Bisley grip for the 44 Mag Super Blackhawk, originally 7 1/2 but bought after it had been trimmed to 6". My 41 Magnum 6 1/2" NMBH Flat Top Bisley conversion is due back any day now. I found that the Ruger Bisley concept grip truly offers a lot of relief for serious loads in a handgun. The hammer and trigger change is a bonus. I was told it might cost $350 rather than the $2000 I was quoted locally, but it actually cost $500 plus $250 for the parts kit plus $85 in shipping. It is a blued gun, so finishing the new grip frame would have been more than a stainless gun. I have used both the 41 Mag and an earlier 44 mag flat top in SASS and found the minimum Trailboss loads to work just fine...no punishment to the shooter or particularly to the steel targets. I have been witness to a new shooter using factory semi-jackets on steel and those targets really showed it, not to mention the stunning shock wave from the gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michigan Slim Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Roscoe Regulator said: I finally landed on a Bisley grip for the 44 Mag Super Blackhawk, originally 7 1/2 but bought after it had been trimmed to 6". My 41 Magnum 6 1/2" NMBH Flat Top Bisley conversion is due back any day now. I found that the Ruger Bisley concept grip truly offers a lot of relief for serious loads in a handgun. The hammer and trigger change is a bonus. I was told it might cost $350 rather than the $2000 I was quoted locally, but it actually cost $500 plus $250 for the parts kit plus $85 in shipping. It is a blued gun, so finishing the new grip frame would have been more than a stainless gun. I have used both the 41 Mag and an earlier 44 mag flat top in SASS and found the minimum Trailboss loads to work just fine...no punishment to the shooter or particularly to the steel targets. I have been witness to a new shooter using factory semi-jackets on steel and those targets really showed it, not to mention the stunning shock wave from the gun. I started running Specials thru mine. Very nice shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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