Assassin Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 When you deprime and resize how far are your cases going into the die? Each time they are resized they are probably becoming weaker at the same location and if it's right at the top of the head that's where the separation occurs. Maybe, don't resize as far down. Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Assassin said: When you deprime and resize how far are your cases going into the die? Each time they are resized they are probably becoming weaker at the same location and if it's right at the top of the head that's where the separation occurs. Maybe, don't resize as far down. Just a thought. Become brittle from being work hardened. Same reason casemouth's start cracking. OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted April 13, 2020 Author Share Posted April 13, 2020 UPDATE #1, 4-13-2020 You Pards have been GREAT with information that could have been the gremlin. BUT, here is something strange. I had received an email from SIG on March 15th about upgrading my P320 with their newer system which helps prevent firing when dropped. BUT...it was under the guise of a lawsuit about the P320's (prior to August 2017) firing BEFORE the slide/barrel were in complete lockup. This explains a lot to me. Mine was purchased NEW in March 2016. In the lawsuit, SIG has agreed to upgrade the P320, etc..... etc..... There is a slight possibility that my brass, reloads, etc..... may not have been the culprit. I will be shipping the P320 back to SIG following their instructions. And I will also send them the piece of brass that separated and my reload information. These are things they should know of. My whole pistol could very well be replaced at no charge. Honestly, Thanks everyone for your input and sharing with each of us some darn good information. I learned a few things, as I suspect many of us did. Have a great day. ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster Cognizant Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 On 4/11/2020 at 10:27 PM, Widder, SASS #59054 said: S.DAVE: OOB has crossed my mind. But will a striker fired pistol allow me to pull the trigger and fire the pistol without being fully in battery? I don't know. The max pressure you mentioned could be the gremlin. ..........Widder If the Sig has the P320 voluntary trigger upgrade, the disconnector added should not allow it to fire out of battery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assassin Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 We used to train with some Air Marshals and they all carried 357 Sigs. Dang those things were loud and I had to wear a headset over my molded ear plugs. That is a great round, however, very uncomfortable for spectators or timer operators. They carried large frame guns and most were very proficient, more so than most LE I've trained with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted April 13, 2020 Author Share Posted April 13, 2020 56 minutes ago, Assassin said: We used to train with some Air Marshals and they all carried 357 Sigs. Dang those things were loud and I had to wear a headset over my molded ear plugs. That is a great round, however, very uncomfortable for spectators or timer operators. They carried large frame guns and most were very proficient, more so than most LE I've trained with. Howdy Assassin. I love both my .357 SIG's. This particular P320 is my normal carry pistol, with factory rounds. But the one that stays by my bed and around me in the house is my P229 Legion. This is a super nice pistol and is very controllable because its weight seems to be all compacted in a smaller steel frame and 4" barrel. I think the Air Marshals and Secret Service carry the P229 in .357 Sig. Indeed, it is a fight stopper. I've experienced nothing but great accuracy with both of these SIG's and have been happy with both. ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 Widder, have you contacted Sig? They may well want to look it over and possibly give you a discount on a new one. OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted April 13, 2020 Author Share Posted April 13, 2020 45 minutes ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: Widder, have you contacted Sig? They may well want to look it over and possibly give you a discount on a new one. OLG Hey Lumpy. Based on the email I received, they will probably totally upgrade mine plus a new grip or totally replace the pistol with a new one. It looks like there have been some customer issues with OOB discharges and a lawsuit is being settled with P320 owners. ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 Good to hear this. Did you tell Sig they owe you some clean underwear? Please keep us all updated. This Sig issue should be a top of the page sticky on the SASS Forums. OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted April 13, 2020 Author Share Posted April 13, 2020 Actually Lumpy, I just laid the pistol down. It was a tremendous 'boom' and blasted some pressure rearward. Glad I had on my normal shooting glasses. I think Slater was more alarmed than I was when it happened. The cracked frame stung my hand rather sharply. But no cuts or broken parts. But honestly, I wasn't effected in a nervous manner. I finished my shooting with my P229 in .357 SIG although I did not use anymore of those rounds. I've had a couple OOB with my 97 over the years and nothing seems to effect me when those things happen. ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imis Twohofon,SASS # 46646 Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 Widder You might want to reconsider sending in your reload. There might be something in the Sig manual about Not using reloads. They might renig on warranty. Imis glad you are ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted April 14, 2020 Author Share Posted April 14, 2020 2 hours ago, Imis Twohofon,SASS # 46646 said: Widder You might want to reconsider sending in your reload. There might be something in the Sig manual about Not using reloads. They might renig on warranty. Imis glad you are ok Someone else suggested that. BUT, regardless of cost to me, I want SIG to know ALL the details of the situation. When a situation such as that occurs, its good for all those concerned to have as much info as possible. Besides, contrary to what TN Williams would like for everyone to believe (), I find it almost impossible to lie or deceive anyone. The reason I say 'almost impossible' is because sometimes, when I bring a new toy into the house, I have to quickly hide it among the others hoping it ain't noticed by the Bunkhouse Boss..... ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michigan Slim Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 Wow Widder. Deceiving the boss like that..... I would NEVER do that Twice in one day..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted April 14, 2020 Author Share Posted April 14, 2020 M.Slim, well, its kinda like this. Some of those guns that drift into Fort Widder are some Marlins and Henry's that belong to other people. I check em out and then send em out. The Bunkhouse Boss don't know which is which, should one of them follow me home from another 'source'. And, there's no need to burden the Boss with unnecessary and trivial details..... ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michigan Slim Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 The devil's in the details for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabez Cowboy,SASS # 50129 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 I Never let the Devil in on the details of My gun purchases ,,,, What she don't know can't hurt me .... There is Safety in mass .... Jabez Cowboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Badly Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 Fortunate you are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeb Stuart #65654 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 On 4/14/2020 at 8:51 AM, Widder, SASS #59054 said: M.Slim, well, its kinda like this. Some of those guns that drift into Fort Widder are some Marlins and Henry's that belong to other people. I check em out and then send em out. The Bunkhouse Boss don't know which is which, should one of them follow me home from another 'source'. And, there's no need to burden the Boss with unnecessary and trivial details..... ..........Widder Widder, Tried to send PM to you, Says you can't receive messages. Can you PM me? Jeb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted April 15, 2020 Author Share Posted April 15, 2020 Howdy JEB. PM sent, along with phone number. ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. James H. Callahan Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 On 4/14/2020 at 6:50 AM, Imis Twohofon,SASS # 46646 said: Widder You might want to reconsider sending in your reload. There might be something in the Sig manual about Not using reloads. They might renig on warranty. Imis glad you are ok Isn't that SOP with gun companies? JHC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted April 16, 2020 Author Share Posted April 16, 2020 If SIG somehow wants to hold me responsible for this incident, I will be glad to inform them that it would be a terrible thing for word to get out that they produced a pistol that blows up and malfunctions while using reloads that are on the light side. ESPECIALLY since they are retrofitting their P320 models (made prior to August 2017) for having problems with Slide/Barrel lockup problems and firing OOB. OOB problems are a real issue, factory or reloads. ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramblin Gambler Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 16 hours ago, Widder, SASS #59054 said: ESPECIALLY since they are retrofitting their P320 models (made prior to August 2017) for having problems with Slide/Barrel lockup problems and firing OOB. OOB problems are a real issue, factory or reloads. ..........Widder Is this the trigger thing where it was failing the drop test? I don't remember talk of OOB discharges with that. I have one I got in Oct 2017 that's already had the first problem fixed. Do I need to send it back to them again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted April 17, 2020 Author Share Posted April 17, 2020 Ramblin, I got an email from SIG on March 15th. It informed me that SIG had agreed to an out of court settlement with some plaintiffs over problems with the P320 firing before the "slide/barrel" lock up. Because I send in my purchase (warranty) cards when I buy SIG products, they had be down as a contact because I bought my P320 in March 2016. They stated that this retrofit only pertained to pistol made prior to August 2017. The email also mentioned the trigger situation. If I can attach that email, I will try to do it on another post. ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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