Rye Miles #13621 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 said: I made it up, but those kinds of decisions will continue to be made. Yea but those numbers are way out of whack! I understand what you're saying but they're still fixing electronic instruments that are 20 yrs old +, I'm talking about GOOD stuff not the Sam's club junk! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Buffalo Creek Law Dog said: I'm so old that when I was in high school I took printing. The kind where you had a small tray in your left hand and picked lead letters out of a large slanted tray that had all the lead letters alphabetized in their individual slots. Lock the letters together and secure it to the printing press and print away. Just like you see in the western movies when they show the newspaper scenes. We printed the school paper made all the stationary for the school etc. and it was worth 8 credits. A totally dead trade today. When I left high school I joined the military until compulsory retirement age. I was an MP, both non-commissioned and commissioned and did another 10 years as a traffic cop. Two trades that will never die, the military and law enforcement. I didn't study that, but our local paper used linotype and hand setting boxes until the early '60s. When they got rid of their linotype I got about 600 pounds of it. Three or four trunks full in my old '54 Dodge Royal lancer. Had great traction until we got it all out of there. Me and my friends loaded tons of "hard lead" ammo with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 I worked in computer software development for fifty years. I was fortunate enough to be developing for machines that “weren’t here yet”. One time three years ahead of the machine. For that project I wrote an emulator for the new machine. My project would be a success if my emulator was correct and a failure otherwise. The emulator would be discarded the day we actually got a new machine. It worked and we eventually got bought out by Oracle. one thing I was told early on was, you don’t want to compete with the new guys. For me that meant staying in databases and networks, and becoming over-specialized, in things that are not taught, later GPS. Don’t even think about newer things like websites and stuff that high school kids are doing for free, hard to compete with “free”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yul Lose Posted January 14, 2019 Author Share Posted January 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Rye Miles #13621 said: There's keyboards out there that cost thousands of dollars and they do get repaired. I'm talking about professional quality keyboards and digital pianos . I'm not talking about the $200.00 Casios that you throw in the trunk of your car! Electric guitars are also never going away. Amplifiers and speakers also. There's a lot of really expensive musical equipment out there and it's not just professionals buying them. Churches, schools and just regular folks who want quality stuff! Have you seen the latest advances in acoustic pianos that have player systems and also hybrid pianos that are acoustic and electric? Instead of cd's everything is in the "cloud". You can get music from your phone to play your player piano now! There's also tons of player pianos out there that still have cd's. Also have you ever seen a Symphony orchestra use a digital piano? The piano is not going away folks, just like all acoustic instruments. horns, violins, drums, guitars, banjos, mandolins etc. All of these instruments will be around long after we're gone! Musical instrument repair may change some but it's not going away!! Rye, Old Buddy, I think you’re missing my point. Technological advances are changing nearly every aspect of our lives. How we think and what we do today is entirely different than how things will be done in the future. We don’t know what jobs will still be around because in reality we humans have barely scratched the surface of what technology in the right hands can do. When I first got into the two-way radio business the largest part of our service business was servicing two-way radios that still had vacuum tubes. I don’t know of any commercial vacuum tube manufacturers still in business, there is very little demand for vacuum tubes. IBM Selectric typewriters used to be the best typewriter there was, they are extinct, been replaced by the PC and a printer. Sure there will always be pianos that you tune and repair but not in the numbers that there are today, kinda like freight wagons and buggies, there are some around but they aren’t in demand. How many camera film manufacturers are still around? If there are any they are starving. Think of all of the things that were common place when we were young that aren’t around anymore. My stepdad was a hard rock miner in Creede, Colorado and he would tell us how mining would always be there and these mines would always be in operation because America needed the ore to manufacture products the world bought. All of those mines are closed down now, the ore comes from other countries. I ordered three items on Amazon last night and two of them were delivered by 9:00 this morning and the other one just got here. Amazon is changing the way we buy and they are even in the initial stages of building their own delivery fleet that does nothing but deliver products sold on Amazon worldwide. I was driving back from Arizona last month and a freight train was on the tracks along the highway and I would say there were 60-70 Amazon semi trailers on the flatbed freight cars, maybe more. Instead of truck drivers driving those trailers cross country they transport them on the railroad because it’s much cheaper than paying fuel, cost of the tractor and paying wages to get them to the distribution centers. Think of the number of long haul truck driving jobs doing that cuts out. I’m certainly not condoning and celebrating all of this job loss but it is what it is. Times they are a changing and changes in the future will make our heads spin. 3D printing will replace literally millions of machinists because there will not be a need for a machinist to spend days machining something when a 3D printer can be programmed to build the same basic thing with probably a higher degree of precision and very little human involvement. They even have 3D printed concrete homes now, no framing needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 2 hours ago, Yul Lose said: Rye, Old Buddy, I think you’re missing my point. Technological advances are changing nearly every aspect of our lives. How we think and what we do today is entirely different than how things will be done in the future. We don’t know what jobs will still be around because in reality we humans have barely scratched the surface of what technology in the right hands can do. When I first got into the two-way radio business the largest part of our service business was servicing two-way radios that still had vacuum tubes. I don’t know of any commercial vacuum tube manufacturers still in business, there is very little demand for vacuum tubes. IBM Selectric typewriters used to be the best typewriter there was, they are extinct, been replaced by the PC and a printer. Sure there will always be pianos that you tune and repair but not in the numbers that there are today, kinda like freight wagons and buggies, there are some around but they aren’t in demand. How many camera film manufacturers are still around? If there are any they are starving. Think of all of the things that were common place when we were young that aren’t around anymore. My stepdad was a hard rock miner in Creede, Colorado and he would tell us how mining would always be there and these mines would always be in operation because America needed the ore to manufacture products the world bought. All of those mines are closed down now, the ore comes from other countries. I ordered three items on Amazon last night and two of them were delivered by 9:00 this morning and the other one just got here. Amazon is changing the way we buy and they are even in the initial stages of building their own delivery fleet that does nothing but deliver products sold on Amazon worldwide. I was driving back from Arizona last month and a freight train was on the tracks along the highway and I would say there were 60-70 Amazon semi trailers on the flatbed freight cars, maybe more. Instead of truck drivers driving those trailers cross country they transport them on the railroad because it’s much cheaper than paying fuel, cost of the tractor and paying wages to get them to the distribution centers. Think of the number of long haul truck driving jobs doing that cuts out. I’m certainly not condoning and celebrating all of this job loss but it is what it is. Times they are a changing and changes in the future will make our heads spin. 3D printing will replace literally millions of machinists because there will not be a need for a machinist to spend days machining something when a 3D printer can be programmed to build the same basic thing with probably a higher degree of precision and very little human involvement. They even have 3D printed concrete homes now, no framing needed. Yul ol' buddy, you're missing MY point! They have been saying the piano will die ever since the player pianos came in, then when the electronic organs came about (as opposed to the mechanical pump organs) Electronic keyboards have been around since the 60's, you never seen any rock bands use a piano yet they are still being made. The cheap keyboards are actually a great way to introduce kids to piano, when they get ready they go to a real piano. NEW piano sales have dwindled but mostly because of the plethora of old pianos out there that people are buying instead of new ones. The piano rebuilders are having a field day, rebuilding and reconditioning old pianos. The piano will never die as well as ALL acoustic instruments as I mentioned before. There are more acoustic guitars being sold than ever before! Violins, banjos, cellos. clarinets, saxes, trumpets, drums etc. will always be around unless ALL musicians just play keyboards! The music instrument repair business is alive and growing and that includes electronic repair. I know what I'm talking about pal, I'm making a living tuning and repairing pianos and I have been for 33 years! The OP says 25 years from now, it hasn't changed that much in the last 25 years, I doubt it will change in the next 25! I'm talking musical instruments here, NOTHING else! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Jobs that I think will be here: Plumbers Electricians Carpenters Recyclers Military Computer Technicians Electronics Technicians Communications Engineers and Technicians Construction workers Engineers Lawyers Police Business people Food service people Handymen/women Robot repair people Home electronics installers Mining technicians - maybe not for coal but other minerals Textile workers Chemists Mechanical types of jobs - transit, personal conveyances, heavy equipment Musical instrument repair technicians Music Teachers Musicians Roadies I have been telling my Grandson that he should go into the “Trades”. People will always need plumbers, electricians, carpenters, remodelers, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 And politicians Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said: Jobs that I think will be here: Plumbers Electricians Carpenters Recyclers Military Computer Technicians Electronics Technicians Communications Engineers and Technicians Construction workers Engineers Lawyers Police Business people Food service people Handymen/women Robot repair people Home electronics installers Mining technicians - maybe not for coal but other minerals Textile workers Chemists Mechanical types of jobs - transit, personal conveyances, heavy equipment I have been telling my Grandson that he should go into the “Trades”. People will always need plumbers, electricians, carpenters, remodelers, etc... You forgot musical instrument repair, ALL musical instruments not just electronic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 8 minutes ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said: Jobs that I think will be here: Plumbers Electricians Carpenters Recyclers Military Computer Technicians Electronics Technicians Communications Engineers and Technicians Construction workers Engineers Lawyers Police Business people Food service people Handymen/women Robot repair people Home electronics installers Mining technicians - maybe not for coal but other minerals Textile workers Chemists Mechanical types of jobs - transit, personal conveyances, heavy equipment Musical instrument repair technicians Music Teachers Musicians Roadies I have been telling my Grandson that he should go into the “Trades”. People will always need plumbers, electricians, carpenters, remodelers, etc... 6 minutes ago, Rye Miles #13621 said: You forgot musical instrument repair, ALL musical instruments not just electronic! I fixed it for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 10 minutes ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said: I fixed it for you Wow and you added some I forgot about! Both my sons make a good living playing music and my niece is studying to be a music teacher! I'd like to add "sound technicians", recording studios and concert sound techs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 Hubby is a retired (disabled) electrician. He has a degree in Industrial Technology, Automotive Concentration, back when that was a "thing" in the 1970s and is rather obsolete today. However, he can fix almost anything electrica;. I've lost track of the machines, like washer, dryer, AC, heater... that he has prolonged the life of and saved us money. Not to mention making spindles, moldings, handrails, hanging/taping sheetrock, plumbing... in our Victorian home. Despite his neuropathy, he bought job-specific tools and saved us $16K on our new house by putting on the siding (hardi-board) himself. About me, my last job was as a systems software tester/analyst. I think I could still find a job in that area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michigan Slim Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 On 1/14/2019 at 9:24 AM, J-BAR #18287 said: Agreed. And if I recall your occupation correctly, those who return waste water back to potable water should always have job security. I wish there was a thing called job security...……. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantankerous Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 9 minutes ago, Michigan Slim said: I wish there was a thing called job security...……. I've been working on retirement security since I was 20 years old. I figger the job of having no job will have some pretty decent benefits and security. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cemetery Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 15 hours ago, Rye Miles #13621 said: There are more acoustic guitars being sold than ever before! Violins, banjos, cellos. clarinets, saxes, trumpets, drums etc. will always be around unless ALL musicians just play keyboards! The music instrument repair business is alive and growing and that includes electronic repair. Interesting. I've been reading that electric guitar sales are down, domestic manufacturing of said guitars are down, and long term values of classic guitars (think classic rock guitars) are loosing value. Reasons being longevity of electric guitars, cheap chinese manufacturing vs a legit Gibson, and lack of interest in collectibility. Now I've read a few years ago that a boom in value and collectibility are the acoustic/electric hollow body type guitars from the 30s/40s.....I'm sure there are specialists who can bring those back to life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskey Business Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 As long as the infernal revenue service exists, accounting jobs will be plentiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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