Captain Long Story, US Cavalry Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 Saw this thread (http://www.sassnet.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=251420), figured this would be of general interest. The forthcoming Matthew McConaughey drama “Free State of Jones” lays claim to being the first Hollywood film in decades to depict Reconstruction, the still controversial post-Civil War period that attempted to rebuild the South along racially egalitarian lines. But the movie, written and directed by Gary Ross, might also lay claim to a more unusual title: the first Hollywood drama to come with footnotes. The film recounts the true story of Newton Knight (Mr. McConaughey), a Confederate deserter who led a ragtag dissident army from the swamps of Jones County, Miss., and continued to fight for the rights of African-Americans after the Civil War ended. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/16/movies/free-state-of-jones-a-film-with-footnotes.html?smid=fb-share&_r=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat Brules Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 More hair shirt, self hate, revisionism, would be my first thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Del Rio Pete Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 The Civil War had so many diverse groups fighting for many different reasons. The movie seems to add another twist to an amazing and terrible part of our history. When I get back from EOT, I'll go see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noz Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 See, I am superior to all of you folks in the racial department. My Great Great Great Grandfather freed his slaves before the civil war so there is nothing on my conscious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Loco Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 I guess your kin folks were doing purdy goot being hows y'all was in the 4% of whites that owned slaves. I guess us poor white trash have the jump on even your forefathers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captqueeze Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 Amen to that Johnny!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noz Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 Yup. He even bought his own "Company" of cavalry. Company G, 15th Missouri. Furnished the uniforms and horses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Loco Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 Past is past future is now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Angus McPherson Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 Yup. He even bought his own "Company" of cavalry. Company G, 15th Missouri. Furnished the uniforms and horses. That's pretty cool. Do you have any memorabilia from that? Where'd you get the history? Passed down in the family or are you lucky enough to have it in a book? Just being nosey, but it's neat family history. Pictures? That would be exceptionally cool to have. Angus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat Brules Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 See, I am superior to all of you folks in the racial department. My Great Great Grandfather freed his slaves before the civil war so there is nothing on my conscious. I don't think you're quite off the hook yet, Massa Noz! You wuz 'sociated to slave owners and are, therefore, damned to an eternity of penance. A routine regimen of self-flagellation and appropriate donations of cash to the right reverend might buy you absolution, 'specially the cash donations, I dunno." :-) :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowhouse Sam # 25171 Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 Yup. He even bought his own "Company" of cavalry. Company G, 15th Missouri. Furnished the uniforms and horses. My GG was 8th Missouri Cavalry, Company H, Jeffers Regiment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noz Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 That's pretty cool. Do you have any memorabilia from that? Where'd you get the history? Passed down in the family or are you lucky enough to have it in a book? Just being nosey, but it's neat family history. Pictures? That would be exceptionally cool to have. Angus Local military historys. No memorabilia of him. However I do have a copy of the pay book that belonged to his 1st Lt who happens to be my Great Great Grandfather. He was listed as a forager which my grandfather explained to me was a chicken thief. I always thought a dinner at their house would be interesting in that the Capt's Company G, 15th Missouri, Union, was the son in law's unit while the Capt's Father in law was in the infantry in the Second Arkansas, Confederate. Could make for a lively discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fillmore Coffins, SASS #7884 Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 My ancestors came here in the 19th century from what is currently Poland. Some of my ancestors were likely slaves. We had nothing to do with y'all. Fillmore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackey Cole Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Several major event or crusades occurred during the years following the civil war. Have you been watching the show the American west on amc on Saturday nights? Jesse james was supposedly fighting against the north when he set out robbing the railroads. This was to hit the north in the pocket books then you had the railroad owner or boss of the Union Pacific railroad billing the government twice the cost of building the railroad which when it came public knowledge created the first recession in us history to get out of it grant ordered Custer into he black ills to see if there was enough gold to stabilize the economy. So the railroad building of post civil war was supposed to offer everyone a fresh start after the war. But in turn created new problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noz Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Sounds to me like a bit of revisionist history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackey Cole Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 You know the victors write history so I guess the liberals have won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Long Story, US Cavalry Posted June 20, 2016 Author Share Posted June 20, 2016 Sounds to me like a bit of revisionist history. More hair shirt, self hate, revisionism, would be my first thought. You know the victors write history so I guess the liberals have won. Guess y'all need to read this - http://www.smithsonianmag.com/ist/?next=/history/true-story-free-state-jones-180958111/ I guess your kin folks were doing purdy goot being hows y'all was in the 4% of whites that owned slaves. I guess us poor white trash have the jump on even your forefathers. From the article - In October 1862, after the Confederate defeat at Corinth, Knight and many other Piney Woods men deserted from the Seventh Battalion of Mississippi Infantry. It wasn’t just the starvation rations, arrogant harebrained leadership and appalling carnage. They were disgusted and angry about the recently passed “Twenty Negro Law,” which exempted one white male for every 20 slaves owned on a plantation, from serving in the Confederate Army. Jasper Collins echoed many non-slaveholders across the South when he said, “This law...makes it a rich man’s war and a poor man’s fight.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seldom Seen #16162 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Rich Northerners could also be exempt from military service (Union Army) by paying someone to enlist in their place. I have read it usually cost $ 200.00 which back then would be a tidy sum of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Long Story, US Cavalry Posted June 20, 2016 Author Share Posted June 20, 2016 Rich Northerners could also be exempt from military service (Union Army) by paying someone to enlist in their place. I have read it usually cost $ 200.00 which back then would be a tidy sum of money. Actually, $300 was the going price for an exemption from the Federal draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Loco Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Hey, my family has been getting skewed in history since My way great grandpappy Moses Fletcher got off the Mayflower, deserted the colony and shacked up with a Wampanoag woman and was listed as dead the first winter by the Plymouth colony. (He weren't the only one). Bradford wrote the history. Its just a movie... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 See, I am superior to all of you folks in the racial department. My Great Great Great Grandfather freed his slaves before the civil war so there is nothing on my conscious. You're not superior to me, my grandparents came to the USA from Italy in 1901, waaaaay after the Civil War!! My family had nothing to do with it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Loco Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Gawd Danged Immigrants!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wichita Southpaw Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Several major event or crusades occurred during the years following the civil war. Have you been watching the show the American west on amc on Saturday nights? Jesse james was supposedly fighting against the north when he set out robbing the railroads. This was to hit the north in the pocket books then you had the railroad owner or boss of the Union Pacific railroad billing the government twice the cost of building the railroad which when it came public knowledge created the first recession in us history to get out of it grant ordered Custer into he black ills to see if there was enough gold to stabilize the economy. So the railroad building of post civil war was supposed to offer everyone a fresh start after the war. But in turn created new problems. Also who has seen "The Assassination of Jesse James By The Coward Robert Ford"? Supposed to be pretty historically accurate (if that's possible coming from Hollyweird). That guy (James) was one creepy S.O.B. Sorry didn't intend to hijack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wichita Southpaw Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 I got all of ya'll, one-half Greek here. We invented slavery! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Long Story, US Cavalry Posted June 20, 2016 Author Share Posted June 20, 2016 For those of you who worry that there's not enough feces to paint the whole barn, I recommend Grey's book on Copperhead shenanigans https://www.amazon.com/Hidden-Civil-War-Story-Copperheads/dp/0670370258 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Del Rio Pete Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Looks like the movie will stir up a lot of discussions and family histories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wichita Southpaw Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Yep. More people, too. Nothing more perplexing than man's inhumanity to man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel-eye Steve SASS #40674 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 For those of you who worry that there's not enough feces to paint the whole barn, I recommend Grey's book on Copperhead shenanigans https://www.amazon.com/Hidden-Civil-War-Story-Copperheads/dp/067037025 Bushwhackers, https://www.amazon.com/Bushwhackers-Civil-North-Carolina-Mountains/dp/0895870878/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1466449484&sr=1-1&keywords=bushwackers, is another interesting read and provides some history behind the book and movie Cold Mountain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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