Not So Sure This Is a Good Idea. Bringing the Ebola Virus To The US

[Subdeacon Joe]

I'm sorry, this is putting all of us at risk, to what end? To die here? They knew the risk. My kids don't!

 

I just don't believe for one minute this is being done for these poor souls.

 

Garbage. This is not "putting us all at risk." What? They are going to infect all 300,000,000 of us the instant the enter US airspace?

 

Yeah...great idea....just leave Americans to the medical practice in some 3rd world pest hole! After all, they deserve it for traveling outside the US in the first place, right? Say two Marines who had been on embassy duty were the ones with ebola, would you say the same thing?

[John Barleycorn, SASS #76982]

Yes, I would. Our fighting men and women know the risks. Same as the missionary's, It comes with the job.

 

Your logic does not follow, so two is ok? Then why not twenty or fifty? Where does it stop? They smart play would have been to treat on site.

[Hacker, SASS #55963]

No. We have a republic.

Actually, what we have is at a federal level a republic. But do we really?

At local levels in some locals it is actually a democracy in the real sense.

And if you look at how it actually performing we have a dysfunctional republic based upon the lack of hearing of issues by the courts, the administration of executive branch activities, and the activities of the states.

Consider our 2nd Amendment rights, are they really being protected or have they been taken away by the acts of the majority.

Let us see GCA, NFA. Yep they have been taken away. So not a republic by that standard on that issue.

That is supposed to be one of the protections of the republic form of government that is a distinct difference from a democracy.

I submit that we do not actually have a pure republic with the protections against the acts of the majority.

It happens sometimes, but not always nor in any defined way.

[Hacker, SASS #55963]

Back to the Ebola Virus issue, It is a dumb idea in my opinion to knowingly bring one of the deadliest diseases to this country.

If the American victims caught it in Africa they should treated there.

We may not be able to create an impossibly complete level of isolation for this country from certain diseases but we can make it harder.

We could freeze visas from infected countries as others have suggested.

I see know reason to risk the rest of the country, so a handful can be treated in this country.

This is one of weakest reasons to bring the infected to this country.

It is also one of the ways that epidemic spread is moving an infected person around.

Particularly when one doesn't know what it is nor how it is transmitted.

If it is mutating than it is an extremely stupid thing to do.

 

Just my 2 cents worth.

[Utah Bob #35998]

Some of y'all need to do a little research on the disease.

[John Barleycorn, SASS #76982]

Among humans, the virus is transmitted by direct contact with infected body fluids such as blood. The cause of the index case is unknown.

 

The incubation period of Ebola haemorrhagic fever varies from two days to four weeks. Symptoms are variable too, but the onset is usually sudden and characterised by high fever, prostration, myalgia (muscle pains), arthralgia (pain in the joints), abdominal pains and headache. These symptoms progress to vomiting, diarrhea, oropharyngeal lesions, conjunctivitis, organ damage (notably the kidney and liver) by co-localized necrosis, proteinuria (the presence of proteins in urine), and bleeding both internal and external, commonly through the gastrointestinal tract. Death or recovery to convalescence occurs within six to ten days.

 

Treatment

 

No specific treatment has been proven effective, and no vaccine currently exists. A vaccine is in the developmental stages. Ebola is known to exist in humans and a few monkey species can be infected. To develop the vaccine, monkeys are used but it can not be tested on humans except in outbreak environments so the vaccine must be tested extensively and meet strict government regulations. Also, in the development of a vaccine, accessibility and cost for people of poor nations and the transportation efficiency of it must be considered.

 

Prevention

 

Although there is no specific treatment for patients with Ebola, there have been entire books written about how to prevent it from spreading from the patient to health care workers or other patients. The first step in prevention is to make advanced preparations for Ebola and other viral hæmorrhagic fevers (VHFs). Selecting a VHF Coordinator to oversee preparations for VHF activities, such as the following, does this:

 

Serving as the focal point for information and leadership when a VHF case is suspected.

Informing all health facility staff about VHFs and the risks associated with them.

Organizing training in VHF Isolation Precautions for staff that will work with VHF patients or infectious body fluids.

Making sure that teams are trained to prepare and transport bodies for burial (CDC 115-116).

The next step is maintaining a minimum standard of cleanliness in the hospital. This includes washing hands and sterilizing needles (CDC 9-18). Also, the medical staff must be informed about the different types of VHFs, including Ebola, and their symptoms. Symptoms that are common to many VHFs are severe weakness and fatigue, and a fever for more than 72 hours and less than three weeks. The patient also may have unexplained bleeding from the mucous membranes, skin, eyes, or gastrointestinal tract. The patient may also be going into shock (has a blood pressure of less than 90 mm Hg or a rapid weak pulse). Finally, that patient may have had contact with someone in the last three weeks that had an unexplained illness with fever or bleeding or who died with an unexplained severe illness with a fever (CDC 23).

 

Next, the infected patient must be isolated from other, uninfected patients and from health care workers who are not directly involved in care of the infected patient. The patient should be given intravenous support, as he or she is probably dehydrated from losing fluids through vomiting and diarrhea. Finally, if the patient expires, the body should be properly disposed of, preferably through cremation, so that the dead body will not spread disease to other people (CDC 26).

 

There is NO treatment, so are we bringing them here? So they can get the best "no specific treatment" here in the US? Hogwash!

[Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984]

Those two are the least of our problems, they are transported under guarded condition and procedures. I suspect we already have a number of infected vermin that have hopped airplanes or walked across from Mexico. The Ebola virus is not an airborne virus, it can only be transmitted via bodily fluids, blood, sweat, tears, and other assorted things you don't want to swap with anyone.

 

However say some sweaty A Rab, sweats all over a seat tray and you rub your hand on it after he leaves and then touch your eyes, you're in trouble.

 

one MORE reason to close down the borders and freeze all visas from infected countries. This may not be enough the mudslimes are already planning on sending infected agents here to try and cause an epidemic.

Like al viruses, it is mutating. When it becomes more successful at traveling we are in trouble.

[Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984]

Hopefully in a few months we can talk about how this was a non-event regarding a catastrophic event here in America. Time will tell.... What's done is done.

 

This was a very public event. Maybe an Ebola victim is crossing the southern border right now....

 

GG

Illegals also cross at the Northern Border, just not so damned many.

[Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984]

Actually, what we have is at a federal level a republic. But do we really?

At local levels in some locals it is actually a democracy in the real sense.

We have democracies where we have town meeting to set the laws and budgets. Elsewhere we have a democratic republic at all levels of government, towns, cities, state and federal. But that is moot compared to the issue at hand.

 

When I reenter the US they will ask if I have been to certain parts of the world. I don't expect they will go through my passport and see what visas and stamps I have. When I ay I have been out of the country for 35 days I might get a little extra scrutiny.

[Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984]

The odds of getting an Ebola infection are right up there with getting hit by a semi while in your house.

 

It can happen, but I am not going to put concrete barriers around my house.

[Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L]

Illegals also cross at the Northern Border, just not so damned many.

No duh! . But it seems we have better security at the north and we do at the South at the present time doesn't it.

 

GG

[Cypress Sun]

I watched the video of the doctor with Ebola being driven from the airplane to the hospital in Atlanta.

 

Several things (in my view) stuck out like a sore thumb......

 

- There was no preventative measures to prevent a traffic accident. No police escort, stopping traffic or anything like that.

- The driver of the ambulance had some protective gear on but not a full suit. From what I could see, she had gloves, a suit and a nose/mouth mask but no eye protection.

- The victim was allowed walk (in a protective suit) into the hospital. One person, also in a protective suit, helped him along. This was done in full view of news helicopters in open air.

 

My point is that there were some preventative measures taken but not nearly enough in my opinion. I really expected more.

 

I do not begrudge the victims proper treatment but I feel like this is a REAL BAD idea. The risk factor is just too high. I also get the sense that "saving the victims" is the public story.......there is more to it than just that.

 

CS

[Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L]

I watched the video of the doctor with Ebola being driven from the airplane to the hospital in Atlanta.

 

Several things (in my view) stuck out like a sore thumb......

 

- There was no preventative measures to prevent a traffic accident. No police escort, stopping traffic or anything like that.

- The driver of the ambulance had some protective gear on but not a full suit. From what I could see, she had gloves, a suit and a nose/mouth mask but no eye protection.

- The victim was allowed walk (in a protective suit) into the hospital. One person, also in a protective suit, helped him along. This was done in full view of news helicopters in open air.

 

My point is that there were some preventative measures taken but not nearly enough in my opinion. I really expected more.

 

I do not begrudge the victims proper treatment but I feel like this is a REAL BAD idea. The risk factor is just too high. I also get the sense that "saving the victims" is the public story.......there is more to it than just that.

 

CS

I'm going to reckon that the doctors know what they're doing a lot more than we do here on this subject.

[Subdeacon Joe]

I watched the video of the doctor with Ebola being driven from the airplane to the hospital in Atlanta.

 

Several things (in my view) stuck out like a sore thumb......

 

- There was no preventative measures to prevent a traffic accident. No police escort, stopping traffic or anything like that.

- The driver of the ambulance had some protective gear on but not a full suit. From what I could see, she had gloves, a suit and a nose/mouth mask but no eye protection.

- The victim was allowed walk (in a protective suit) into the hospital. One person, also in a protective suit, helped him along. This was done in full view of news helicopters in open air.

 

My point is that there were some preventative measures taken but not nearly enough in my opinion. I really expected more.

 

I do not begrudge the victims proper treatment but I feel like this is a REAL BAD idea. The risk factor is just too high. I also get the sense that "saving the victims" is the public story.......there is more to it than just that.

 

CS

 

Yeah...where was the air cover? And the National Guard! Maybe some tanks, too.

[Tyrel Cody]

 

Yeah...where was the air cover? And the National Guard! Maybe some tanks, too.

I was more hoping Barry would be there to greet them with a handshake and a nice warm hug.

[Cypress Sun]

 

Yeah...where was the air cover? And the National Guard! Maybe some tanks, too.

 

Pemit me to ask you one question Joe........Would you have taken the next ride in that ambulance?

[John Barleycorn, SASS #76982]

 

Yeah...where was the air cover? And the National Guard! Maybe some tanks, too.

Mocking is an intilectually dishonest debate tactic.

[Seldom Seen #16162]

The margin of error for treating Ebola patients is so very, very small;

 

http://harfordblog.wordpress.com/2014/07/30/doctor-who-treated-more-than-100-ebola-patients-dies-from-the-virus/

 

In an interview last month, the 39yr old doctor had expressed fears for his life because of his constant contact with Ebola patients.

“I am afraid for my life. Health workers are prone to the disease because we are the first port of call for somebody who is sickened by the disease. Even with the full protective clothing you put on, you are at risk."

 

It may be of interest to note the most common cause for the spread of illness in Hospitals is staff simply not washing their hands between seeing patients. This is such a major problem that the Health Care Organization I work for launched a major program a few months ago to enforce Doctors and Nurses to properly wash their hands and to "foam in and foam out" and posts reminders and compliance stats every week in the Newsletter and emails.

 

Probably the best reason I have heard for bringing this patient into the United States is political;

 

Rahm Emanuel is quoted as saying “You don’t ever want a crisis to go to waste; it’s an opportunity to do important things that you would otherwise avoid.”

[Subdeacon Joe]

 

Pemit me to ask you one question Joe........Would you have taken the next ride in that ambulance?

 

 

Yeah, better burn it. Tear up the pavement, too.

 

Why not? It's gonna get disinfected down to almost bare metal. And, if necessary, I'd go to the same hospital, see the same doctors.

 

Look, a bunch of you are sounding like this is an all out biological warfare attack on the US that will kill hundreds of millions. Is there a risk? Of course. There is a risk with anything. Yeah, it spread quickly in Africa. But hard as it is to believe, the US IS NOT Africa. The treatment conditions are very different.

[John Barleycorn, SASS #76982]

Let's stick to the facts. There is NO treatment. It's a fast highly contagious virus that has evaded the most precautious measures taken by "expert virologists". Bringing live Ebola virus, in a living host, "for treatment" to our shores is beyond foolish.

[Utah Bob #35998]

Like al viruses, it is mutating. When it becomes more successful at traveling we are in trouble.

I think that's a leap. This is not The Andromeda Strain. In 30 years HIV has not mutated to any extent that the transmission mechanics have changed. People will not be dropping dead in the streets from getting Ebola from doorknobs and air conditioners. More will die due to drunk driving.

Caution is prudent.

Unreasonable fear is destructive.

[Major Kong]

Never saw HIV/AIDS kill anybody in a week or two Ebola has. All it takes is one person to get careless or so something stupid to get infected and not know it and it will be Katy hold the door .

[Cypress Sun]

 

 

Yeah, better burn it. Tear up the pavement, too.

 

Why not? It's gonna get disinfected down to almost bare metal. And, if necessary, I'd go to the same hospital, see the same doctors.

 

Look, a bunch of you are sounding like this is an all out biological warfare attack on the US that will kill hundreds of millions. Is there a risk? Of course. There is a risk with anything. Yeah, it spread quickly in Africa. But hard as it is to believe, the US IS NOT Africa. The treatment conditions are very different.

 

I haven't seen opinions on here implicating that this is a bio attack on the US. What I have seen someone vehemently attacking another's opinion with borderline insults because it differs from theirs.

 

No, the US is not Africa. The treatment here really isn't all that different from Africa. We do have far more advanced facilities, isolation wards and medical personnel......but the treatment remains the same, intravenous fluids and wait for the patient to get better or die. That's it, that's the treatment.

 

With an incubation period ranging from two to 30 days, if this virus did "get out".....it could be anywhere in the country by the time it is recognized for the Ebola virus. Atlanta is not a cluster of tin huts located hundreds of miles from major traffic arteries and airports. It would only take one person, unknowingly infected, to create a major problem.

 

That is where the risk/reward factor is overwhemingly lopsided.

 

CS

[Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L]

Best get some pointers from WWZ

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4EC7P5WdUko

 

GG

[Utah Bob #35998]

Never saw HIV/AIDS kill anybody in a week or two Ebola has. All it takes is one person to get careless or so something stupid to get infected and not know it and it will be Katy hold the door .

My point about HIV was not that it is quickly fatal, but that

A. It has not mutated

B. The transmission of both virus' is through body fluids

 

They are not cholera or typhus or hepatitus or even plague

Is one infected person going to cause a disaster?

I don't see how.

[Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidkroll/2014/08/01/should-we-be-concerned-about-american-ebola-patients-coming-to-emory-hospital/

 

GG

[Knarley Bob]

What could possibly go wrong??????????? They can't even make a frozen pizza come out right

[Major Kong]

Nothing to worry about, Obama signed an EO on 7-31-2014, if you suffer from an acute upper respiratory illness you can be held in quarantine against your will. View at whitehouse.gov. I feel better now.

[Subdeacon Joe]

 

I haven't seen opinions on here implicating that this is a bio attack on the US. What I have seen someone vehemently attacking another's opinion with borderline insults because it differs from theirs.

 

Nor did I say that anyone had actually said that, but that their comments sounded like that - implications that there would be thousands, or millions, at risk, that this is putting our entire population at risk. Basically, fear-mongering.

 

No, the US is not Africa. The treatment here really isn't all that different from Africa. We do have far more advanced facilities, isolation wards and medical personnel......but the treatment remains the same, intravenous fluids and wait for the patient to get better or die. That's it, that's the treatment.

 

And right there you have it. The US has the facilities, personnel, treatment protocols, and support systems, not to mention a few experimental drugs that might help.

 

 

With an incubation period ranging from two to 30 days, if this virus did "get out".....it could be anywhere in the country by the time it is recognized for the Ebola virus. Atlanta is not a cluster of tin huts located hundreds of miles from major traffic arteries and airports. It would only take one person, unknowingly infected, to create a major problem.

 

That is where the risk/reward factor is overwhemingly lopsided.

 

CS

 

Keep in mind that the CDC has had samples of ebola coming in to its facilities for decades. But suddenly people are in a dither about it because "OHMYGAWDWEAREBRINGINGEBOLATOTHEUS!!!!!" as if it is something new and nefarious.

 

Again, I'll not begrudge any American the opportunity to be treated in by the best medical facilities in the world by some of the best doctors in the world. Sorry that some feel we should abandon our own.

 

[Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidkroll/2014/08/01/should-we-be-concerned-about-american-ebola-patients-coming-to-emory-hospital/

 

GG

Good article. Thanks!

 

All right you folks, this is scary stuff; but stop insulting people with opinions that differ from yours or I will close the thread. I don't want to do this as we could all benefit from others' posting the latest news.

 

Sheesh, I couldn't even finish this post with out one of you slamming another. Knock it off!

[Dusty Balz, SASS#46599]

Good article. Thanks!

 

All right you folks, this is scary stuff; but stop insulting people with opinions that differ from yours or I will close the thread. I don't want to do this as we could all benefit from others' posting the latest news.

 

Sheesh, I couldn't even finish this post with out one of you slamming another. Knock it off!

 

Yeah ... You guys suck

[Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217]

Yeah ... You guys suck

Dusty, you really have "a way with words" and I'm not sure that's a compliment.

[Hacker, SASS #55963]

Nothing to worry about, Obama signed an EO on 7-31-2014, if you suffer from an acute upper respiratory illness you can be held in quarantine against your will. View at whitehouse.gov. I feel better now.

 

Knowing that, are you EVER going to tell your doctor everything?

I hope they got a lot a drugs or chains and cuffs.

 

One more step by a nanny state towards a tyrannical government.

[John Barleycorn, SASS #76982]

Samples, and live virus in a living host are two VERY different things.

 

What some refuse to acknowledge is that there is NO treatment, ok push fluids. You get well, or you die. So there is NO reason to bring them here for "expert care" that's a false premiss.

 

SDJ, "Treat on site" does not equal abandonment, stop painting reasonable, and prudent, as extreme.

[Subdeacon Joe]

Samples, and live virus in a living host are two VERY different things.

 

What some refuse to acknowledge is that there is NO treatment, ok push fluids. You get well, or you die. So there is NO reason to bring them here for "expert care" that's a false premiss.

 

SDJ, "Treat on site" does not equal abandonment, stop painting reasonable, and prudent, as extreme.

 

JB, how close do the facilities "on site" come to matching what they would have here? I haven't seen anyone denying that there is no known treatment for it. But if the support is so important, shouldn't they have the best available, not some 3rd world makeshift?

 

Here is the type of thing that should be of more concern: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-28634903

 

No, it wasn't confirmed as ebola. But an infected person, not knowing they are infected, on a flight anywhere has much more potential of spreading it here than a few patients, known to be infected, in isolation suits and then an isolated ward, with everyone around them aware of the hazards.

 

It isn't as if they are just going to be put in a regular hospital room in a general ward.