Doc Windshadow Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/12/chris-dumm/r-i-p-marlin-pistol-caliber-carbines/ I would love to be the fly on the wall at a CAS match when some one shows up with that CT fore end cap actually it would not be hard to tune a laser to not be visible to naked eye view but with a matched color of shooting glasses lens be seen (note; not IR band but near UV band I recall reading about card sharps cheating using a near UV bad laser system) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Houston # 35508 Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 SAD.......Makes any Marlins out there worth more!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Windshadow Posted December 6, 2011 Author Share Posted December 6, 2011 Well not the ones built after they left New Haven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster Ron Wayne Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Apparently The Freedom Group never heard of SASS. Cowboy Action Shooting has been and is the fastest growing shooting sport in the game . Can you say cut off your nose to spite your face . Uberti ,Rossi, Henry and now the new Winchester understand the demand for pistol caliber carbines . The Freedom Group (Marlin) will see the demand , But it will take a some time, and SASS and its shooters will need turn there backs on The Freedom Group ! MYSELF I sold my 3 marlins last year . I bought 3 new Rossi 92s and never looked back . The Rossi 92 is a very good gun for the money and shoot great ! R.I.P Marlin . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flashpowder Hal Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Guess we be shootin' collector items now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Houston # 35508 Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 I got a 1894 C model, action job, lighter springs, reworked carrier w/Badlands Bar 3 Comin' At Cha engraved Buttstock $1,000 Now, That's a Collectors Item!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustang Gregg Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Well Redwing is in the USA-built 1873 business now. May some entrepeneur can start making copies of 1894 Marlins. Mustang Gregg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Big money wants our guns I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Foot Johnson Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Geez, and I have two brand new in the box JM stamped octagon barreled .45 Colt CB's... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvey Mushman Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Paraphrasing Mark Twain, I think the rumors of the death of pistol caliber Marlin 94's may be a bit premature given some things I've read and heard recently. Let's hope so, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rancho Roy Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 If you own Marlin CB guns with octagon barrels in pistol calibers.......................It's like money in the bank! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seldom Seen #16162 Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 While unfortuate not unexpected. I wonder how much the market for pistol caliber carbines had shrunk to? CAS is a very small market with broad selection of long guns to choose from. Even if CAS shooters own two Marlins (one for back-up) that remains a small number so Marlin must look for elsewhere for sales. I view other areas for sales also small; plinking (unless you reload it is expensive to shoot), small game hunting (sssseh! I'm hunting wabbit), varmints, and home defense. It probably really shines as a urban home defense gun but according to the gun rags you have to have a $2,000+ custom 1911 to stop the zombies. The unwashed mashes have to settle for tricked out Glocks ( incoming!!! ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Canyon Kid #43974 Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 I just talked to Marlin Customer Service. They claim this report is absolutely false. They claim production will again start in early first quarter 2012. They also wanted the address of this web site so they could respond directly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438 Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 I just talked to Marlin Customer Service. They claim this report is absolutely false. They claim production will again start in early first quarter 2012. They also wanted the address of this web site so they could respond directly. WHAT????? But it was on the INTERNET!!!! It MUST be true!!!!!! Thanks, GCK - as Joe Friday used to say - "Just the facts, ma'am". LL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtwater Doc 17941 Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 I think Remington will eventually get it right but..... Remember that the "Freedom Group" is the same bunch that wrecked Chrysler. It took the intervention of Fiat to save that company; Chrysler sales have been surging recently. I anticipate the same basic process with Remington is at work here; they will almost fail and someone (probably foreign) will step in and buy it at firesale prices. Meanwhile I'm keeping the Marlins I have. DD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Windshadow Posted December 6, 2011 Author Share Posted December 6, 2011 I think Remington will eventually get it right but..... Remember that the "Freedom Group" is the same bunch that wrecked Chrysler. It took the intervention of Fiat to save that company; Chrysler sales have been surging recently. I anticipate the same basic process with Remington is at work here; they will almost fail and someone (probably foreign) will step in and buy it at firesale prices. Meanwhile I'm keeping the Marlins I have. DD Good point they are old school asset strippers in a new suit but if Marlin is not reading the Truth about guns blog where this turned up I would be amazed given the tail of mess-ups there on the review of their products this year (there are links to the whole sad tale in the article I linked to so it sounds like Mr. Fargo and Marlin cust. service had a long working relationship). I sure hope that these fine old firms get out of the clutches of Engulf and Devour inc and back out on their own with a sense of the modern market as well as respect for their heritage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438 Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Good point they are old school asset strippers in a new suit but if Marlin is not reading the Truth about guns blog where this turned up I would be amazed given the tail of mess-ups there on the review of their products this year (there are links to the whole sad tale in the article I linked to so it sounds like Mr. Fargo and Marlin cust. service had a long working relationship). I sure hope that these fine old firms get out of the clutches of Engulf and Devour inc and back out on their own with a sense of the modern market as well as respect for their heritage. Doc: I'm not sure that's a fair characterization of Cerberus (the mother of Freedom Group). The Chrysler debacle was a combination of events, including spectacularly poor timing. They did not buy Chrysler to strip it, and they have not stripped other acquisitions. They lost their shirts in Chrysler, but took a lot of steps to protect their investors. Steve Feinberg, the man behind Cerberus, is an avid hunter, a big-time Republican donor, and is known as a guy who lives much more simply and less extravagantly than others in comparable positions. He is, however, a guy in business to make money, and as much as I share your appreciation for the old firms, they need to make a both a decent product and a profit to survive as something other than a collectible. LL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619 Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Recent, very detailed, straightforward article about Freedom Group/Cerebus and gun manufacturing, from the business section of the NYTimes: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/27/business/how-freedom-group-became-the-gun-industrys-giant.html?scp=1&sq=freedom%20group&st=cse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtwater Doc 17941 Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 I read the NYT article and this stood out: "As of the end of September, the company had nearly half a billion dollars in debt, according to a third-quarter earnings report available on the Freedom Group’s Web site. That includes about $225 million in debt that the company raised last year to pay itself a special dividend used to buy back preferred stock from Cerberus, according to a company prospectus filed with the S.E.C." In debt for $500 million? Wow! Forget gold, buy Marlins. DD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438 Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 I read the NYT article and this stood out: "As of the end of September, the company had nearly half a billion dollars in debt, according to a third-quarter earnings report available on the Freedom Group’s Web site. That includes about $225 million in debt that the company raised last year to pay itself a special dividend used to buy back preferred stock from Cerberus, according to a company prospectus filed with the S.E.C." In debt for $500 million? Wow! Forget gold, buy Marlins. D Well, it's all relative. It is not unusual for a company of this type to be heavily leveraged. For a complete discussion of financials, as well as a very intriguing look inside the operations of a guns/ammo manufacturer (and the challanges they face in our world), take a look at FGI's Annual Report for last year. http://www.freedom-group.com/2010-10-K.pdf LL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seldom Seen #16162 Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 If the other forums are to be believed Remington is having problems getting their 1911 R1 right also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 And now OSHA has hit Remmy with a $170K fine too. LG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 I just talked to Marlin Customer Service. They claim this report is absolutely false. They claim production will again start in early first quarter 2012. They also wanted the address of this web site so they could respond directly. I hope ya gave it to 'em. I'd like to see a Remington/Marlin rep buy a SASS membership and participate in these discussions. Heck, our Italian pards do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 I hope ya gave it to 'em. I'd like to see a Remington/Marlin rep buy a SASS membership and participate in these discussions. Heck, our Italian pards do! They shoot with us too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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