Nostrum Damus SASS #110702 Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 I'm cutting down a Winchester 97 shotgun buttstock for my wife Bullion Rose. She likes using the pump gun more than the double barrel coach gun, but she's tiny so the LOP is being reduced to 12 1/4 inch. I picked up a truly disgusting old stock for basically nothing. I have no idea what gunk was on the surface but that's now gone. At the wrist end the stock had split with long cracks on both sides, and there's a decent amount of wood lost from the forward end of the cracks. The cracks have now been securely pinned, and the cracks' contacting surfaces bonded with Starbond high performance cyanoacrylate. Before I refinish the stock with Tru-Oil, I want to fill in the open spaces of the cracks. What is the best way to do this? Mix white wood glue with sawdust obtained from the sanding process? Some brand of wood putty? Suggestions are invited. Thanks in advance for your help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 I did several repairs to the buttstock on this original Winchester 1887. Maybe something of use to you.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 You may have error'd using Super Glue. It does not fill voids well if at all. Contact is required. For your stock repair, I would strongly suggest Epoxy and in some cases, Epoxy with some fine sanding dust mixed in for strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nostrum Damus SASS #110702 Posted November 20, 2021 Author Share Posted November 20, 2021 16 minutes ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said: You may have error'd using Super Glue. It does not fill voids well if at all. Contact is required. For your stock repair, I would strongly suggest Epoxy and in some cases, Epoxy with some fine sanding dust mixed in for strength. The cyanoacrylate was not used to fill any voids. There is good tight wood-to-wood contact all the way from end to end of both cracks, and that's all it was used for. That has left the voids outwards of the bonded wood still open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Devil Dale Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 It's for your wife. What appearance does she want-- natural wood, or are other ideas acceptable? For example, you can fill the holes with clear resin or wood-tone resin. But woodworkers also are doing things like filling voids with blue Epoxy resin-- looking like a river, or using clear resin mixed with glitter. I like to fill voids in the free- edge tables I make with clear resin mixed with shiny mica, collected from streams. There are really a lot of options depending what end look is desired. Some are pretty spectacular looking. Honestly, I've tried all brands and I have never found any commercial wood putty that can be closely color matched. They all show up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Devil Dale Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 21 minutes ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said: You may have error'd using Super Glue. It does not fill voids well if at all. Contact is required. For your stock repair, I would strongly suggest Epoxy and in some cases, Epoxy with some fine sanding dust mixed in for strength. There are CA glue formulations available specifically for gap filling. You just have to make sure which type you are buying. The product labeling should say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
"Big Boston" Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 There have been a few good posts on this forum on this subject, worth searching for them. The underlying truth with any wood repair is that you basically have one kick at the cat. Every repair product has it's application. The product you use depends on the stress that will place on the repair. Is it sheer? or compression? or elongation? Try and choose the product that best fits the nature of the damage. There are some decent videos by Larry Potterfield of Midway USA. Also the videos by Mark Novak, Anvil on YouTube. Filling small voids when you are at the point of applying the first coat of Truoil is one place where a slurry of oil and sawdust is used. For repairs, I prefer clean, let the product do it's job. Especially joining two flat surfaces, sawdust would tend to prevent close contact. I use three major adhesive products: Gorilla Glue (it expands when it cures), Waterproof Carpenters glue (if it is a bonding repair), and bedding Epoxy, usually with black pigment added. For reinforcement pins and threaded rod, JB Weld. None of the products is hard to find. Acetone is also a good cleaner and will suck old oil out of wood. Lots of the old guns have oil soaked stocks, from back in the day when gun owners actually oiled their guns. I don't know the nature of the crack, but bedding epoxy, tinted black is a good option. Black is the color of a natural flaw or grain in wood. once smoothed out, it will visually blend with the wood. Brown tint will seldom blend. I've looked at a few old rifles with wood repairs, works of art, the fitting of patches is near perfect even after decades of use. That is how I want my repairs to be judged. Not all of mine will get passing marks, but some might. I don't throw out old busted stocks, I keep them and cut out patches and such, trying to match grain and color. I use Truoil, but only for the few final light coats. Tung oil is what I start with. The '97s are pretty thin in the wrist, a bit of a challenge to repair. I cut a groove in a spare receiver shank and use it as a reamer. I like a snug fit but don't want any tight spots to create stress. IMO, these cracks were caused because the wood shrank with age, and acted like a wedge. Add in heavy game loads and then you have cracks. Cowboy ammo is easy on the stock, all of my repairs have held. BB https://i.imgur.com/zx4ox1N.jpg https://i.imgur.com/NqwYekX.jpg https://i.imgur.com/H0BPdjI.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 I don't know about all the different glue options. I've always used Acraglas. Always works. Never failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cusz M. Dutch SASS Life 55326 Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 I once used liquid steel to build back a huge chip around the but stock of a SG. It cures out gray and when sanded down did not jump out at you so I did not try to stain it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattlesnake Slim Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 26 minutes ago, Cusz M. Dutch SASS Life 55326 said: I once used liquid steel to build back a huge chip around the but stock of a SG. It cures out gray and when sanded down did not jump out at you so I did not try to stain it. I'm not afraid to admit that I use JB Weld for EVERYTHING, even helps hold your hat on in the wind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasper Agate Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 For some fun I've been filling gaps with this stuff. I have ground brass, turquoise and coral from these folks https://treelineusa.com/inlay-materials/ Jasper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nostrum Damus SASS #110702 Posted November 20, 2021 Author Share Posted November 20, 2021 I ended up using JB Weld's CLEARWELD 2-part epoxy with a bunch of sawdust collected from the cut that I made to shorten the stock for the Missus. I pressed the epoxy-sawdust mixture into the gaps on both sides of the stock, and into the tops of the holes where I drove in the pins. It is rough now but will be sanded smooth before I finish the job with a 2 coats of diluted Tru-Oil with immediate 320 sanding afterwards, then 2 more coats of at full-strength with light buffing with 0000 steel wool while still wet. So far so good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted November 21, 2021 Share Posted November 21, 2021 Less than 1/4" - sawdust filled acraglas (usually gel formula) More than 1/4" - route the top 1/4 inch of the crack and cut patch wood from similar color and pattern stock. Fill below the 1/4 inch level with runny acraglass. Lay the patch in with a surplus of runny (normal formula) acraglas. good luck, GJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nostrum Damus SASS #110702 Posted November 21, 2021 Author Share Posted November 21, 2021 OK, here are "before" and "in progress" photos (I've got several applications of Tru-Oil to go): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nostrum Damus SASS #110702 Posted November 22, 2021 Author Share Posted November 22, 2021 Close to finished: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nostrum Damus SASS #110702 Posted November 22, 2021 Author Share Posted November 22, 2021 All done, after buffing of the high gloss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Ranger, 48747L Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 Nicely done now, what about her rifle stock length? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nostrum Damus SASS #110702 Posted November 22, 2021 Author Share Posted November 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Cheyenne Ranger, 48747L said: Nicely done now, what about her rifle stock length? The good news is that she's shooting a Marlin Model 39 .22LR rifle this weekend, which is just a smaller lighter rifle in all respects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Ranger, 48747L Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 great news she seems fired-up (pun intended) about CAS. Glad her enjoyment will even be higher with the right sided long guns. see you there. cr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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