irish ike, SASS #43615 Posted June 27, 2018 Posted June 27, 2018 I watched this last night on Amazon Prime. Interesting story about the battle damage and probably one of the worst skippers in WW2. You're 50 miles off the coast of Japan, you've been in ongoing battles for days and you order the ship to step down from battle stations. Radar picks up incoming bogies, multiple warnings from his own crew and the ships around him and yet, no battle stations called. Bomber comes in and well its bad. Then wants to court marshal crew that jumped ship or were literally blown off the ship and survived. Ike
Sixgun Sheridan Posted June 27, 2018 Posted June 27, 2018 Thanks for the heads up, I'll have to look for this one.
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted June 27, 2018 Posted June 27, 2018 Maybe the designation of CV 13 had something to do with the action.
Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 Posted June 27, 2018 Posted June 27, 2018 And the skipper became an admiral...
Sedalia Dave Posted June 27, 2018 Posted June 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 said: And the skipper became an admiral... Promoted to his level of incompetence.
Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 Posted June 27, 2018 Posted June 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, Sedalia Dave said: Promoted to his level of incompetence. The Peter Principle* in action. That boy done Petered out! *The Peter principle is a concept in management developed by Laurence J. Peter, which observes that people in a hierarchy tend to rise to their "level of incompetence".
Utah Bob #35998 Posted June 27, 2018 Posted June 27, 2018 Excellent documentary. I’m going to get that book!
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted June 27, 2018 Posted June 27, 2018 Seems he was already incompetent as a Captain.
Badlands Bob #61228 Posted June 28, 2018 Posted June 28, 2018 I watched it. Sounds like the Captain should have been brought up on charges. At least he never got another ship to command.
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted June 28, 2018 Posted June 28, 2018 4 hours ago, Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 said: And the skipper became an admiral... Old military custom: screw up. move up.
Utah Bob #35998 Posted June 28, 2018 Posted June 28, 2018 During WWII senior officers who screwed up were just shuttled away without charges. The government did not want any negative publicity of any kind. Bad for civilian morale and the war effort...in their mind anyway. Keep up the appearance that everything is going fine. It still happens today to some extent but the 24hr news cycle is relentless. McCrystal, Grigsby, Petraeus, et al found that out. Of course sometimes you don’t have to screw up at all.
Trailrider #896 Posted June 28, 2018 Posted June 28, 2018 There was much heroism on board the Franklin. The fact that the ship was saved was due to the heroic and very professional actions of the damage control men! I don't know how it is nowadays, but during WWII, Navy damage control was superb!
Sixgun Sheridan Posted June 28, 2018 Posted June 28, 2018 14 hours ago, Utah Bob #35998 said: During WWII senior officers who screwed up were just shuttled away without charges. Unless your name was Captain Charles McVay and someone else screwed up, in which case you were made a convenient scapegoat.
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