Bittertrigger Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Could not hold off I had to shoot my C&B pistols this weekend, even though my slix shots had not came in and of course I had some miss fires My question is do you treat a C&B revolver the same as a Cartridge revolver (broke gun) or can you just holster it and move on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jailhouse Jim, SASS #13104 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 With a cap only ignition, fire the rest of the Chambers and holster. No need to call a broken gun. It's a Frontiersman thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jailhouse Jim, SASS #13104 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Once you get your guns clear at the ULT, ask the TO to cap and fire said chamber downrange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc McCoy, SASS #8381 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 I have a pair of Walkers and they sure are fun to shoot gunfighter style. Full charge of course. I have a piece of string to keep the loading lever in place. Great to hear the "Wow" from the background. But my elbows won't do too many stages of that any more. My left elbow was sore for 6 months after a weekend of that once. I may use them in Plainsman or a Josey Wales match when I don't have to shoot too much. But after shooting those an 1860 feels light as a feather! For regular shooting I use 1860s; or 1861s when I want a lighter faster gun. Switching from .44 to .36 always feel like those are awful tiny balls. At 70 grains it is among the smallest bullets in CAS. If you're concerned about knock down targets consider using more powder on that stage. Just have another spout for the flask. I don't bother with that, but I do try to aim on such targets! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randingo Posted January 18, 2018 Author Share Posted January 18, 2018 19 minutes ago, Doc McCoy, SASS #8381 said: I have a pair of Walkers and they sure are fun to shoot gunfighter style. Full charge of course. I have a piece of string to keep the loading lever in place. Great to hear the "Wow" from the background. But my elbows won't do too many stages of that any more. My left elbow was sore for 6 months after a weekend of that once. I may use them in Plainsman or a Josey Wales match when I don't have to shoot too much. But after shooting those an 1860 feels light as a feather! For regular shooting I use 1860s; or 1861s when I want a lighter faster gun. Switching from .44 to .36 always feel like those are awful tiny balls. At 70 grains it is among the smallest bullets in CAS. If you're concerned about knock down targets consider using more powder on that stage. Just have another spout for the flask. I don't bother with that, but I do try to aim on such targets! Will be getting another 1860. I'll then have a pair and be able to shoot a match with them. I will eventually pick up a pair of Walkers. Shooting Cowboy with cab n' ball yet not shooting Walkers, at least once or twice, don't seem right. Every young man dreams of firing a hand canon. I am not young but am anxiously awaiting the day I send that much flame and smoke down range. I doubt any miss will be called cause no one heard the steel ring! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 if and when i start shooting black i will no longer care of the ding so much it will be the ignition and subsequent flash and smoke im looking for , its part of why ive stayed with smokeless all these years , i may just shoot mine for fun , the second reason ive stayed with smokeless all these years is the cleaning after , while i dont mind that process when im in the mood - right after a long day at a two day match [either day] im not inclined that way and i hate rust , its so contrary to my upbringin , if i could simple spray or dunk id be fine - disassembly and clean the reassembly is fun to watch at the campfire but i dont want to do it , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc McCoy, SASS #8381 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 I have often said Why go "bang bang" when you can go "BOOOM!!!" with a big cloud of smoke! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrel Cody Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 @watab kid spray them down real good with ballistol and clean them within a day or two of the match, they'll be fine. Just don't forget and wait 3 months; don't ask... Also, aluminum foil and water will remove rust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 thank you sir - i did not know that and great advise , i have always been thinking in terms of the fellow that started me in this , he used to set up a table every night and disassemble thoroughly clean and reassemble . then still have issues at the firing line some times , i will keep reading and learning and slowly ease into this , im thinking to retire in a few years so m setting things up to have choices when the cash flow reduces , i can pick up a second of what i prefer after i decide what i prefer , ill get some leather in the meantime as well since what i have is geared to the 1873s , i am looking retro rather than wild bunch these days as my speed is in the past - im looking for a bit of nostalgia , nothing like the smell of black powder on a still morning in the plains states , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackwater 53393 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 At a two or three day match, I spray Balistol or Q Maxx BLU on the actions after removing the cylinders and wipe the cylinders down with a cloth soaked in the same cleaner. A quick look at the nipples and run a brush down barrels. I run my bore snake down the rifle barrel and spray and wipe the action with the same cleaner as with the pistols. If I’m using a SxS shotgun I spray a little Windex down the bores and shoot a couple of smokeless rounds and wipe down the gun. If I’m shooting a ‘97 (shooting Outlaw) or my lever action 10 ga. I’ll spray some Windex down the barrel, fire a round of smokeless, open the action and soak it down with one of cleaners mentioned above, then blow it out with some canned air and wipe it down. I’m done in fifteen minutes and ready for the next day. Save the heavy cleaning for when you get home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc McCoy, SASS #8381 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Since I use Goex I can wait until Wed. after a 2 day shoot without any rust problem. I have even waited until Friday. I'm not recommending that, but I get away with it. Cleaning Sat. night of a 2 day I always clean the nipples as a minimum. Two swabs & a bore snake on rifle and pistol barrels is fine. The shotgun does fine without any attention. I keep a shotgun chamber brush in my cart just in case. I do not like to shoot smokeless and BP without cleaning in between. I notice a distinctly more difficult cleaning with mixed residue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackwater 53393 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 I never mix Black Powder and smokeless when shooting a match. I DO use a couple of smokeless shells behind a thorough spray of Windex after a day’s stages to clean the barrel/s of my shotgun. The smokeless shell takes all of the fouling and Black Powder residue out and down range without any scrubbing and then I just wipe down the gun and it’s good to go the next day. I completely disassemble and clean all my guns when I get home, a day or two after the match! I only shoot real Black Powder! Most of the substitutes are either corrosive or they just don’t shoot like the real thing!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jailhouse Jim, SASS #13104 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 12 hours ago, watab kid said: thank you sir - i did not know that and great advise , i have always been thinking in terms of the fellow that started me in this , he used to set up a table every night and disassemble thoroughly clean and reassemble . then still have issues at the firing line some times , With properly set up and clean firearms, there should be few issues at the firing line. I give my long arms a quick spritz of Ballistol after the first day of a multi-day match and put them away. My capguns get more attention. They come apart to get the arbor cleaned up and the cylinder scrubbed with 409 then I wash them down with brake cleaner. Once dry, I lube the arbor with bore butter and reassemble for the next day. I lube over the ball so there is plenty of lube to run 6-8 stages a day with no other maintenance. Once home or if time allows at the match, I strip everything down for a good cleaning. I am liberal with the Ballistol and CLP if they are to be stored for any length of time. When pulling them out for a match, I remove the cylinders, wash the lubricant out with brake cleaner and blow them dry with compressed air. I visually check each chamber to ensure they are dry and the nipple is clear. Reassemble and load up for the match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waxahachie Kid #17017 L Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 If I was just starting out with cap & ball revolvers, I would start with an 1851 Colt Navy, with the steel frame. I recommend that choice for a variety of reasons. One, it's recoil is slight, so you have more fun shooting. Two, it is more inexpensive to shoot than the .44/.45's. Three, I have shot mine all day long, without cleaning, and without any drag or seizure from fowling. Four, they are not very heavy...fully loaded a "Walker" weighs nearly five pounds. Five, you can learn a lot about cap & ball revolvers, and can later on work your way up to a Walker, or a Dragoon. Six, they are more fun to let others shoot, like your spouse, kids, grandkids, and the best way to learn about anything is to show and teach others. Seven, the 1851 was the first "belt pistol", since the Walker, and the Dragoons, were carried on the horse, because of their size, and weight, so you can comfortably carry them in a holster(s) on your gun belt. Eight, if you have an all-day shooting event, with a Walker, your arms had better be built like Popeye's, for they seem to weigh a ton at the end of the day. Are the Walkers and Dragoons fun to shoot? You bet they are...but I would recommend starting out with a pair of 1851 Colt Navy revolvers, and later on add to your collection some bigger revolvers. Oh, the 1861 Navy is a great choice too, but I just really like the 1851's octagonal barrel. Parting Shot: You do not need a parachute to skydive! You only need a parachute to skydive twice! My Two Bits. W.K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefty Dude, SASS # 51223 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 If I were starting from scratch, It would be 1861/36 Navies. The best looking Colt ever made !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 HA!! If I were starting from scratch, it would be Capt. Schaeffer replica 1851/36 Navies. THE very best looking Colt ever made !!!!! Oh yea. PLUS ONE to everything from Prairie Dawg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lead Monger Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 If I was just starting out I'd be much younger, faster, more agile and able to see. I would still chose 1860 Army's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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