SQUARE

[Blackwater 53393]

I don't know if this should be here or over on the Team SASS page, but last weekend I received a message from my credit card processer that they were amending their service policy to exclude those merchants that deal with firearms or firearm related merchandise!!

 

That company is Square. Some of the smaller vendors and merchants who travel to our bigger matches, myself included have used this company in the past. Not me any more!!

 

While I do appreciate their past service to me and other small merchants, I cannot abide their decision to restrict my ability to do business by turning their backs on our Constitution and Bill Of Rights. I will no longer do business through Square and I recomend that other merchants who are using their services follow suit.

 

I'm in the process of finding a new service provider and have seen a couple of nice offers from other providers who appear to be either neutral or 2A friendly.

[Mad Dog Jack, SASS #77862]

While on my trip back to the Bayou Blast where I met you I used my credit card three times with vendors that used Square. Before I got home my card was put on hold, and a new one issued, by my bank because of unauthorized usage that we feel was a security breech through Square. Rightly or wrongly. It's a fine idea, great for small business, but this on top of that...not good.

[Rooster Ron Wayne]

In my biss I use the Square credit card reader .

 

I just read this my self.

 

I need to take cards in my Biss.

 

I am Looking to the ( Intuit ) card reader as we speek.

[Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217]

_{Hi BD Dear,}

 

_{I'm not sure what is political or 2a in some cases. I think this is a 2a issue, so I will move it to Team SASS.}

 

_{Very best regards and hugs!}

 

_{Allie Mo}

[Rooster Ron Wayne]

This is what I sent to Square !

I am a LIFE Member of the NRA.
I am a supporter of the 2nd amendment .
Apparently square is going to turn there backs on the 2nd Amendment and Your Loyal Customers .
I may have to look at taking my business to INTUIT !
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

[Blackwater 53393]

_{Hi BD Dear,}

 

_{I'm not sure what is political or 2a in some cases. I think this is a 2a issue, so I will move it to Team SASS.}

 

_{Very best regards and hugs!}

 

_{Allie Mo}

No problem Miss Allie! As I said in the OP, I wasn't sure where it belonged. No Harm, No foul!!

 

 

While on my trip back to the Bayou Blast where I met you I used my credit card three times with vendors that used Square. Before I got home my card was put on hold, and a new one issued, by my bank because of unauthorized usage that we feel was a security breech through Square. Rightly or wrongly. It's a fine idea, great for small business, but this on top of that...not good.

Sorry about your experience MDJ!! I didn't know at the time what they had done, and until now I was unaware that they could do this on their own! Until last weekend, I was a staunch supporter of Square and had recomended it to many others.

 

On top of everything else, It's personally embarassing to have made that recomendation and have this come about. I apologize to anyone affected by my endorsement of this, in my opinion, turncoat company.

[Palo Verde, SASS # 56522]

Square seems to be on a social crusade

This is their new user agreement.

Please note that the many odd things are also prohibited.

 

 

By creating a Square Account, you also confirm that you will not accept payments in connection with the following businesses or business activities: (1) any illegal activity or goods, (2) buyers or membership clubs, including dues associated with such clubs, (3) credit counseling or credit repair agencies, (4) credit protection or identity theft protection services, (5) direct marketing or subscription offers or services, (6) infomercial sales, (7) internet/mail order/telephone order pharmacies or pharmacy referral services (where fulfillment of medication is performed with an internet or telephone consultation, absent a physical visit with a physician including re-importation of pharmaceuticals from foreign countries), (8) unauthorized multi-level marketing businesses, (9) inbound or outbound telemarketers, (10) prepaid phone cards or phone services, (11) rebate based businesses, (12) up-sell merchants, (13) bill payment services, (14) betting, including lottery tickets, casino gaming chips, off-track betting, and wagers at races, (15) manual or automated cash disbursements, (16) prepaid cards, checks, or other financial merchandise or services, (17) sales of money-orders or foreign currency, (18) wire transfer money orders, (19) high-risk products and services, including telemarketing sales, (20) service station merchants, (21) automated fuel dispensers, (22) adult entertainment oriented products or services (in any medium, including internet, telephone, or printed material), (23) sales of (i) firearms, firearm parts or hardware, and ammunition; or (ii) weapons and other devices designed to cause physical injury (24) internet/mail order/telephone order cigarette or tobacco sales, (25) drug paraphernalia, (26) occult materials, (27) hate or harmful products, (28) escort services, (29) bankruptcy attorneys or collection agencies engaged in the collection of debt.

[Slowhand Bob, 24229]

HMMM, only one seems to be related to attacking a constitutional protection though? Could it be possible that we could get the porn fokes to go after them on a 1st amendment action since after that seems to be where most want the constitution to end anyway?

[Artie Fly, SASS #25397]

We use Square in our business, so I'll start looking too. I don't deal in firearms or related items, but try to support 2A positions. My first look at Intuit found this in their Terms of Service:

© Permitted Use Policy. Merchant agrees that it will not conduct business in furtherance of any of the following businesses or business activities: illegal products or services of any kind; adult oriented products or services including video streaming, audio text; airlines; annual billing / sales; auto performance chips (fuel economy, etc.); bail bonds; bankruptcy attorneys; cable box de-scramblers; collection agencies or collection attorneys; credit repair / credit card
protection; credit counseling, restoration or repair; dating services; drug paraphernalia; escort services; freight forwarders; gambling, gaming, lottery sales, grab bags, raffles, or sweepstakes; hair growth and or replacement products; import / export; internet “fulfillment houses” (aggregator, multiple merchants with same mid); lifetime guarantee products or lifetime memberships; loan modification or mortgage reduction services; mailing lists and personal information;
pharmaceuticals non-face to face (including business to business); occult materials; online auctions; outbound telemarketing; personal enhancement products (teeth whitening, acai berry, etc); precious metal or stamps; pyramid sales; racism, violence, abuse, discrimination, or other immoral activities; rebate, refund or prize-based businesses; securities brokers; sports forecasting or odds making; telephone service, rechargeable, phone cards, VOIP; timeshares or future delivered services; travel, travel clubs, cruise lines; and any of the following business types where payment is made via the internet, mail order, telephone order or other card not present method: coin dealers / sales; firearms, weapons or fireworks; psychic readings; tobacco products or sales. Intuit maintains full discretion in determining whether or not to provide services to a Merchant irrespective of the underlying nature of the goods or services provided by such party.

 

So, Intuit has a similar limitation. Could this be something legislated by the states the companies reside in? Both companies are in the People's Republic of California. Any California lawyers out there that can answer this?

[Rye Miles #13621]

Pretty long list of prohibited items!!!! Geeezz........no thanks!

[Blackwater 53393]

I spoke with the people at PayAnywhere yesterday. The person taking my call assured me that they had no such requirements. She did say that they wanted all firearms to go through an FFL.

 

I'm talking to another outfit that even offers a refund program for clubs to receive most of the fees collected as a donation. This company DOES have a monthly fee, but the Debit card rate is 1.39% and the approved card rate is 1.59%.

 

More when I know more.

[Madd Mike #8595]

http://www.gunowners.org/fs0302.htm

 

I know that this list has been posted before

but for those who may have missed it

 

you may or may not be suprised who is on the list

the hollywood list is interesting

[Diamond S Doug]

While on my trip back to the Bayou Blast where I met you I used my credit card three times with vendors that used Square. Before I got home my card was put on hold, and a new one issued, by my bank because of unauthorized usage that we feel was a security breech through Square. Rightly or wrongly. It's a fine idea, great for small business, but this on top of that...not good.

 

My card was put on hold during Winter Range 2013. My bank saw my card used in Kansas, Montana, and Phoenix within 1 hour. I was just helping out the vendors, reducing how much stuff they had to haul home. Each vendor still showed as used in their state. One phone call turned it back on. Now I call ahead of time.

[Branchwater Jack SASS #88854]

Got this in an e-mail today:

ATTENTION
SQUARE CUSTOMERS: As of 5/9/13 Square has changed their
underwriting policy to restrict the card present swiped sale of "firearms,
firearms parts or hardware, and ammunition; or weapons and other devices
designed to cause physical injury."

GunAuction.com has partnered with Payment Alliance
International (PAI) to offer gun-friendly merchant services in any processing
environment. Whether you're selling firearms, ammo or accessories online, in
stores or at shows, PAI won't turn you away because you sell
guns.

Accept card payments from an
iPhone, iPad, or Android device with QwickPAY™

QwickPAY™ is available to merchants that
process $850 or more in monthly card volume. Now through May 31st sign up and
receive a FREE card reader.

[Dusty Chaps, SASS #5925]

I too, use Square. It's been very handy at the office. Easy for everybody to use.

But now, I'll start looking elsewhere too.

Recommendations accepted.

[Madd Mike #8595]

I will cancel my square and hope it makes a small difference

[Korupt Karl]

http://www.gunowners.org/fs0302.htm

 

I know that this list has been posted before

but for those who may have missed it

 

you may or may not be suprised who is on the list

the hollywood list is interesting

Thanks for posting again....the actors like Sylvestor Stalone and others who make their living with gun violence and films.....hard to believe

[Redleg Reilly, SASS #46372]

Dumped Square from our small business, added Pay Anywhere which doesn't have the firearms restrictions (and a better fee charge), and mailed a letter to the Square CEO as to why we are leaving. Also passed on a copy of the letter to the NRA.

[Hacker, SASS #55963]

I find it amusing that the behaviour of a company or private individuals is called into question with relationship to the 2nd Amendment.

We must remember that the 2nd Amendment refers to and limits what the GOVERNMENT, specifically the legislative branch, can do to these rights.

 

The 2nd Amendment carries no weight in law with respect to the actions of companies and private individuals.

[Blackwater 53393]

I find it amusing that the behaviour of a company or private individuals is called into question with relationship to the 2nd Amendment.

We must remember that the 2nd Amendment refers to and limits what the GOVERNMENT, specifically the legislative branch, can do to these rights.

 

The 2nd Amendment carries no weight in law with respect to the actions of companies and private individuals.

 

Nobody said it did , legally! BUT!! If they don't support the Second Amendment, and if they DO restrict my right to do business using their services for purely legal transactions, I DON'T NEED THEIR SERVICES ANY MORE!!!

 

added; And I reserve the right to, tell others that these folks don't support us and our Second Amendment beliefs, and encourage others to no longer use their services.

[Redleg Reilly, SASS #46372]

Nobody said it did , legally! BUT!! If they don't support the Second Amendment, and if they DO restrict my right to do business using their services for purely legal transactions, I DON'T NEED THEIR SERVICES ANY MORE!!!

 

added; And I reserve the right to, tell others that these folks don't support us and our Second Amendment beliefs, and encourage others to no longer use their services.

EXACTLY!

[Hacker, SASS #55963]

Nobody said it did , legally! BUT!! If they don't support the Second Amendment, and if they DO restrict my right to do business using their services for purely legal transactions, I DON'T NEED THEIR SERVICES ANY MORE!!!

 

added; And I reserve the right to, tell others that these folks don't support us and our Second Amendment beliefs, and encourage others to no longer use their services.

 

And it is your right to say that.

Yet some have the belief that this is a correct topic for the TEAM SASS area.

I do NOT. My Opinion.

 

I believe and still hope that the TEAM SASS area is to keep us informed of new LEGISLATION attempting to rammed down our throats.

This thread has NOTHING to do with LEGISLATION nor illegal acts of the EXECUTIVE branch of government.

[Redleg Reilly, SASS #46372]

And it is your right to say that.

Yet some have the belief that this is a correct topic for the TEAM SASS area.

I do NOT. My Opinion.

 

I believe and still hope that the TEAM SASS area is to keep us informed of new LEGISLATION attempting to rammed down our throats.

This thread has NOTHING to do with LEGISLATION nor illegal acts of the EXECUTIVE branch of government.

Not to get in a shouting match with you, but this is copied from one of the original postings on what "Team Sass" is about:

 

1) The Team SASS Mission: Contribute, combine and coordinate our resources, significant numbers and dedicated efforts in a resolute fight to retain the ability to exercise our Second Amendment rights uninfringed.

 

Looks like any activity, not just governmental, that attempts to interfere with our Second Amendment rights is a Team SASS issue.

[Hacker, SASS #55963]

Not to get in a shouting match with you, but this is copied from one of the original postings on what "Team Sass" is about:

 

1) The Team SASS Mission: Contribute, combine and coordinate our resources, significant numbers and dedicated efforts in a resolute fight to retain the ability to exercise our Second Amendment rights uninfringed.

 

Looks like any activity, not just governmental, that attempts to interfere with our Second Amendment rights is a Team SASS issue.

 

This is not a shouting match. We are debating the applicability of US law.

We are also discussing the scope of this forum.

 

Thank you for making my point.

 

The 2nd Amendment like all the Amendments of the Bill of Rights is about laws passed by the legislative branch of the US government NOT about the antics of any non-governmental personality nor businesses.

 

So it looks like the antics of businesses are NOT a proper part of TEAM SASS.

Please read the Bill of Rights, particularly the early part of the 1st amendment which is occasionally thought of as a preamble to the Bill of Rights.

 

Further evidence of this is the relationship between the 1st Amendment rights to freedom of expression and the ability to post anything you want here on the SASS Wire Forum. It is not protected as the SASS Wire Forum is the property of a business.

 

 

In any event if the 2nd Amendment really applied to business you could sue them for violating your rights.

That wont work. Try it!

[Kiowa Kid, SASS #69870L]

This is not a shouting match. We are debating the applicability of US law.

We are also discussing the scope of this forum.

 

Thank you for making my point.

 

The 2nd Amendment like all the Amendments of the Bill of Rights is about laws passed by the legislative branch of the US government NOT about the antics of any non-governmental personality nor businesses.

 

So it looks like the antics of businesses are NOT a proper part of TEAM SASS.

Please read the Bill of Rights, particularly the early part of the 1st amendment which is occasionally thought of as a preamble to the Bill of Rights.

 

Further evidence of this is the relationship between the 1st Amendment rights to freedom of expression and the ability to post anything you want here on the SASS Wire Forum. It is not protected as the SASS Wire Forum is the property of a business.

 

 

In any event if the 2nd Amendment really applied to business you could sue them for violating your rights.

That wont work. Try it!

? The pards brought some info forward about the Anti Second Square, I would welcome this info, especially if it keeps some pards from losing money because they weren't aware of the changes to the rules of use, and far as I'm concerned anybody promoting anti gun wether thru use of product or Goverment Regulation is part of the problem and not the solution, IMHO.

 

KK

[Blackwater 53393]

My view of Team S.A.S.S. and this forum is that it was created to coalesce and co-operate to fight opposition to the Second Amendment on ALL fronts. Make no mistake!! The Antis will use whatever means, legislative or economic, to prevent you and me from exercising and enjoying or Second Amendment freedoms!!

 

When I posted this thread, I asked that it be placed where it belonged. The MODERATORS moved it to this forum, so I guess more learned and knowledgable persons have spoken.