Bama Red Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 Just tried to place an order with Cheaper Than Dirt for a brand new T/C .50 Cal Hawken muzzleloader and a bunch of associated black powder doodads - order woulda been 'bout $900 with some .44-40 brass thrown in as well. The computer rejected the order, saying could not ship to Tennessee. Called and got a real live person on the phone and she confirmed it - law says they cannot ship black powder firearms into Tennessee, home of Davey Crockett and Sgt. Alvin York. Both of those fine gentlemen must be approaching redline as they spin in their graves! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 Dang, that's sad...! Last time I checked even California allowed muzzleloaders to be shipped to private parties. Reckon there hasn't been much of a problem with gangbangers rollin' down the streets feverishly stuffing ramrods down barrels... but that thought does create a downright funny mental picture! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 TENNESSEE?? That's amazing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackwater 53393 Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 Must be a problem on their end. I'm not aware of any laws on the books of the Volunteer State prohibiting such. Might be some interstate non-reciprocal red tape. I get Black Powder stuff all the time here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barkeep Casey Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 Must be a problem on their end. I'm not aware of any laws on the books of the Volunteer State prohibiting such. Might be some interstate non-reciprocal red tape. I get Black Powder stuff all the time here. I won an NRA silent auction on a black powder rifle in Chattanooga, and they made me do a 4473 form and run it through an FFL. Maybe it is related to TN. Law and that is why that Cheaper than Dirt cannot direct ship to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bama Red Posted December 19, 2011 Author Share Posted December 19, 2011 I won an NRA silent auction on a black powder rifle in Chattanooga, and they made me do a 4473 form and run it through an FFL. Maybe it is related to TN. Law and that is why that Cheaper than Dirt cannot direct ship to you. I'm guessing that is the problem, Barkeep. Haven't bothered to check with my local FFL to confirm it, but I bet that's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Augustus #6390 Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Cabelas has always shipped BP guns to me inTN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Just tried to place an order with Cheaper Than Dirt for a brand new T/C .50 Cal Hawken muzzleloader and a bunch of associated black powder doodads - order woulda been 'bout $900 with some .44-40 brass thrown in as well. The computer rejected the order, saying could not ship to Tennessee. Called and got a real live person on the phone and she confirmed it - law says they cannot ship black powder firearms into Tennessee, home of Davey Crockett and Sgt. Alvin York. Both of those fine gentlemen must be approaching redline as they spin in their graves! Bama, I got something similar a few years back from Sportsman's guide. It turned out to be BS because they just didn't want to put up with sorting out California's laws. It involved an electronic shooting game for my them 6 year old grandson. I called the state DOJ and found out it wasn't true, called SG back and told them it wasn't true and was told it was true and they wouldn't ship to California. I did a computer search and found a place a few mils from them who had it in my hands four days later at about $10.00 less. I called SG back and told them I wouldn't be doing business with them again. You might do something similar and see if CTD is worth your business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAYOBARD SASS #13025L Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Sportsmans Guide and Cheaper than Dirt are owned by the same folks. I had similiar problems. That's whay I refuse to send them any more of my business. I probably spent $3000 plus dollars with them over the years. But when they act that stupidly, they don't need my money. We all ought to boycott them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seldom Seen #16162 Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Apparently this has been Sportsman Guide policy for quite some time: http://www.tngunowners.com/forums/curio-relics-black-powder/10448-new-restrictions-mail-order-black-powder-arms-4.html (notice 2008-2009 thread) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Sportsmans Guide and Cheaper than Dirt are owned by the same folks. I had similiar problems. That's whay I refuse to send them any more of my business. I probably spent $3000 plus dollars with them over the years. But when they act that stupidly, they don't need my money. We all ought to boycott them. +1 Cheaper than dirt is not always the cheapest anyway. Most of the time yer better off buying locally. When ya figure in shipping costs it don't always add up to the best price. I have never ordered anything from either CTD or SG. I buy locally. Rye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bama Red Posted December 20, 2011 Author Share Posted December 20, 2011 Rye, I'm a big believer in buying locally, when possible. I'll even allow the local guys 10% over the internet prices to give them a better shot at keeping my business. But, and its a big but, I live in a small town with no local gunshop - nearest one is thirty miles away. I don't know how far away a gunshop with a good muzzleloader selection is - haven't found one yet! A pard here in the Saloon (ACS) has a T/C kit he is thinking of selling, so I may be in luck after all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 Rye, I'm a big believer in buying locally, when possible. I'll even allow the local guys 10% over the internet prices to give them a better shot at keeping my business. But, and its a big but, I live in a small town with no local gunshop - nearest one is thirty miles away. I don't know how far away a gunshop with a good muzzleloader selection is - haven't found one yet! A pard here in the Saloon (ACS) has a T/C kit he is thinking of selling, so I may be in luck after all! A perfect winter project! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okie Sawbones, SASS #77381 Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 I'd give the state a call and ask why, Bama. Here is a disclaimer from Able Ammo, who I have done business with in the past: Black Powder Firearms Restrictions You must be at least 18 or older to purchase Black Powderfirearms. Please check your local laws for restrictions before ordering black powderfirearms. Black Powder firearms cannot be shipped to the followinglocations: Hawaii, Illinois, Massachusetts, Michigan, New Jersey, NewYork, Rhode Island, Tennessee, and Washington D.C. NOTE: For all other states, we can ship most black powderfirearms directly to you. This seems to go against the federal guidelines: 18 U.S.C. § 921 © any muzzle loading rifle, muzzle loading shotgun, ormuzzle loading pistol, which is designed to use black powder, or a black powdersubstitute, and which cannot use fixed ammunition. For purposes of thissubparagraph, the term "antique firearm" shall not include any weaponwhich incorporates a firearm frame or receiver, any firearm which is convertedinto a muzzle loading weapon, or any muzzle loading weapon which can be readilyconverted to fire fixed ammunition by replacing the barrel, bolt, breechblock, or any combination thereof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneaky Gun Runner SASS 79775 Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 I do know that all the TC inlines do require an FFL to do the transfer as a barrel swap makes them a whole different animal. However, you specified a Hawken and I have no earthly idea why that would be an issue. After Okie's post I am really curious why that would be a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEAD BANE, SASS 70197 Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Just tried to place an order with Cheaper Than Dirt for a brand new T/C .50 Cal Hawken muzzleloader and a bunch of associated black powder doodads - order woulda been 'bout $900 with some .44-40 brass thrown in as well. The computer rejected the order, saying could not ship to Tennessee. Called and got a real live person on the phone and she confirmed it - law says they cannot ship black powder firearms into Tennessee, home of Davey Crockett and Sgt. Alvin York. Both of those fine gentlemen must be approaching redline as they spin in their graves! I lived bout 4 miles from tn in KY. Tried my best to stay out of the VOLUNTOLD state. Got an ex-wife there too, was happy to send her back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lickskillet charlie Posted December 21, 2011 Share Posted December 21, 2011 Bama,Sent you a PM,MERRY CHRISTMAS & HAPPY NEW YEAR. LSC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bama Red Posted December 21, 2011 Author Share Posted December 21, 2011 Good news!! Train Robber has decided to sell his brand new in the box, twenty year old Thompson Center percussion Hawken rifle kit at a very attractive price. I could not refuse and I now have a project to occupy me over the winter and following surgery. Thanks also to all the pards who gave me all the good advice here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bama Red Posted December 21, 2011 Author Share Posted December 21, 2011 Bama,Sent you a PM,MERRY CHRISTMAS & HAPPY NEW YEAR. LSC Charlie - Never got your PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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