Buckshot Bear Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 The start of not hunting with lead bullets in Australia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Welcome to california. Bottom line, they don't work so well, at least in older rifles. Minute-of-angle rifles shooting lead core jacketed bullets might shoot minute-of-pie plate. If you're lucky. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassnetguy50 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 2 hours ago, Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 said: Welcome to california. Bottom line, they don't work so well, at least in older rifles. Minute-of-angle rifles shooting lead core jacketed bullets might shoot minute-of-pie plate. If you're lucky. You have to match the bullet and rate of twist. Copper bullets are longer than lead bullets of the same weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Google hog deer Australia or just hog deer, for info. many many articles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 39 minutes ago, sassnetguy50 said: You have to match the bullet and rate of twist. Copper bullets are longer than lead bullets of the same weight. Exactly. Hence my observation about older rifles. Designed to shoot heavier lead or lead core bullets and rifled accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 3 hours ago, Buckshot Bear said: The start of not hunting with lead bullets in Australia THAT ^^^^ is exactly how Kaleepornia started their bull sh** on lead bullets in that state. It started after reintroducing their precious Condors back into the wild. They used junk science and leftist mouth breathers in the Dept of Fish and Game to get the state houses to ban lead for hunting. On a personal note, I spent a lot of time in the areas of CA where Condors were supposedly reintroduced and I never saw one in the wild. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michigan Slim Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 I all the years I have been eating wild game I have never found a bullet fragment. I did bite into a piece of lead shot once eating rabbit at my grandparents house. Once. Never a bullet fragment though. Ever. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Me either, although I have found shot in pheasants, but never ate it! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgavin Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 This is the first step in making firearms prohibitively expensive to shoot. They won't infringe on your right to own one... but will make it impossible to shoot. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 1 minute ago, bgavin said: This is the first step in making firearms prohibitively expensive to shoot. They won't infringe on your right to own one... but will make it impossible to shoot. Maybe then all the loudmouthed gun owners will Stand in Defiance and do something. But I doubt it. It’s all hot air and bull sh**! I recall going to a pro gun rally in Sacramento years back to fight the Antigun politicians and their agenda. So many gun owners were going to go and raise hell. It was all over the internet. I got there 2 hours ahead of everything that was supposed to kick off at 11:00 hours. There was me and maybe 25-30 guys there. That’s it. It was freakin’ embarrassing. The news crews didn’t even bother getting out of their vans. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgavin Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Yep. I agree with your position made a long time ago: Americans will roll over and accept defeat, instead of standing up for the fight. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassnetguy50 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 19 minutes ago, bgavin said: This is the first step in making firearms prohibitively expensive to shoot. They won't infringe on your right to own one... but will make it impossible to shoot. Australians are a bunch of criminals, they have no right to own one. But seriously, no right to bear arms so their government passed gun control nation wide within 12 days of Port Arthur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 2 hours ago, Pat Riot said: Maybe then all the loudmouthed gun owners will Stand in Defiance and do something. But I doubt it. It’s all hot air and bull sh**! I recall going to a pro gun rally in Sacramento years back to fight the Antigun politicians and their agenda. So many gun owners were going to go and raise hell. It was all over the internet. I got there 2 hours ahead of everything that was supposed to kick off at 11:00 hours. There was me and maybe 25-30 guys there. That’s it. It was freakin’ embarrassing. The news crews didn’t even bother getting out of their vans. Pat, I went to one something like 30 years ago - there were thousands of us on the Capital grounds. Excellent speeches and presentations, the crowd was extremely well behaved and civil, and when we left, the place was sparkling clean. I recall Willie Brown peeking around his curtains at us from his office. That night the news reports barely covered the event; according to them, there was a "small gathering" in Sacramento. We were portrayed as little more than a handful of whiny rednecks. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Bascomb, SASS # 47,494 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Unfortunately, the voice of reason never gets a forum on this subject. Pat has it right in the description of the genesis of these restrictions in California. If REAL science were to be followed it would be noted that: Few things are more chemically benign and inert than a spent lead bullet. There is little danger to the environment from a lead bullet laying on the ground. Where the hell do they think the stuff comes from in the first place?! Any danger from lead pollution would be from vapors generated from cartridge ignition, which rapidly disipate. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 @Buckshot Bear you folks need to press for answers from the biologists working for the game commission. Get them to testify. Take this to court. If it stays in the halls of politics you guys are screwed. Get this junk science into court. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 16 hours ago, Michigan Slim said: I all the years I have been eating wild game I have never found a bullet fragment. I did bite into a piece of lead shot once eating rabbit at my grandparents house. Once. Never a bullet fragment though. Ever. Never a bullet fragment, but I've bitten into a lot of shot in a lifetime of eating pheasant, ducks, and geese! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgavin Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 And you are still here. Bite it, spit it out, and move on. IMO, the real reason behind the lead ban is making ammo increasingly expensive and discouraging its use. They cannot take away our right to arms, but they will try and make it impossible to shoot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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