Provisioning a warship (early pre WW1 Dreadnought Battleship) in World War I. I suspect Royal Navy.

[Subdeacon Joe]

Provisioning a warship (early pre WW1 Dreadnought Battleship) in World War I.

 

 

 

 

 

[Alpo]

Royal Navy makes sense, but I wonder why they spelled tons tons? In British it's tonnes.

[Abilene Slim SASS 81783]

One of the things rarely discussed about salvaging the sunken battleships at Pearl Harbor was the toxic gasses in the holds from rotting meat and other stores in the food lockers. The Oklahoma was particularly deadly. 

[Subdeacon Joe]

9 minutes ago, Alpo said:

Royal Navy makes sense, but I wonder why they spelled tons tons? In British it's tonnes.

 

Imperial ton v. metric tonne.  Ton is 20 cwt, tonne is 1000 kg. 

 

[Linn Keller, SASS 27332, BOLD 103]

Bloaters? Okay, head cheese.

Sultanas? Grapes, I believe

Botts sauce? -- a pepper sauce. Tabasco is often included in field rations, so hey, why not.

Tinned brawn? Aha, meatloaf in gel!

(I asked my wife about these, she has a love of all things seaworthy but had to consult other sources as she was stumped!)

 

 

[Subdeacon Joe]

15 minutes ago, Linn Keller, SASS 27332, BOLD 103 said:

Bloaters? Okay, head cheese.

Sultanas? Grapes, I believe

Botts sauce? -- a pepper sauce. Tabasco is often included in field rations, so hey, why not.

Tinned brawn? Aha, meatloaf in gel!

(I asked my wife about these, she has a love of all things seaworthy but had to consult other sources as she was stumped!)

 

 

 

"Bloaters, bucklings, and kippersEdit

All three are types of smoked herring. Bloaters are cold-smoked whole; bucklings are hot-smoked whole; kippers are split, gutted and then cold-smoked."

 

 

 

 

[Alpo]

42 minutes ago, Linn Keller, SASS 27332, BOLD 103 said:

Sultanas? Grapes, I believe

I don't think they're grapes, I think they're raisins. Definitely yellow. But I think they are raisins.

[Alpo]

120 pounds of cake.

 

Somehow I don't think that's actual cakes. Like in dessert.

 

Unless it was fruitcake - which could be possible because the English like fruit cake - it would mold and spoil real fast.

 

But I think it's a term for something that we don't use. Either we don't use the item, or we use it but we just don't call it that.

 

Yeast?

[Cypress Sun]

Seems like a lot of food...until one thinks about how many crew members are aboard. If I recall, the ships of that era and of that type had a crew between 800 - 1,100. That's a bunch of people to feed everyday.

[Chantry]

Almost certainly a British battleship, probably the Dreadnought class or some of the other early classes of Dreadnought type battleships.  The wing turrets amidships were only found in the first 3 or 4 classes of Dreadnought type battleships before being replaced either by super firing turrets or amidship turrets, both of which had better firing arcs.

 

I'm away a sporting clays match for SxS's so I don't have access to my library.  Since it is a drawing it's hard to pin down the class or ship any further.

[Linn Keller, SASS 27332, BOLD 103]

Subdeacon Joe and Alpo, thank you both.

I prefer to be corrected when I'm in the wrong.

In my supervisory experience, a mistake uncorrected will be repeated.

WILL be repeated.

I prefer not to repeat mistakes.

My hind hoof fits between the pearly whites with a frightening ease the way it is, without repeating the experience unnecessarily! 

[Sedalia Dave]

Wonder how they kept some of the fresh food from spoiling? 

 

Fresh tomatoes will not last long. The fresh beef will have a limited shelf life.

[Sedalia Dave]

 

 

Raisins vs. Sultanas vs. Currants:

 

Sultanas

 

Sultanas are made from green seedless grapes, particularly the Thompson Seedless variety.

Unlike raisins, sultanas are typically coated in an oil-based solution prior to drying to speed up the process. For this reason, they are often lighter in color than raisins and currants.

 

In Australia, some sultanas are made without the drying solution. These grapes take longer to dry — up to three weeks — and are dark brown in color. They are often referred to as “natural” sultanas.

 

In the US, sultanas are referred to as “golden raisins” or “sultana raisins.” These grapes are treated with a preservative called sulfur dioxide to retain the lighter color of the grape.

 

Sultanas are typically smaller than raisins and are sweeter, juicer and lighter in color than both raisins and currants.

 

Currants

 

Currants, also known as “Zante currants,” are tiny, dried grapes. These are not to be confused with berries like Ribes sativium and Ribes nigrum that are also called “currants” ().

Despite their name, Zante currants are actually made by drying a variety of small, seedless grapes called “Black Corinth” and “Carina.”

Currants are dried for up to three weeks.

Due to their small size, they have a sweet, tangy and intense flavor and add texture and sweetness to both sweet and savory dishes.

[Alpo]

I agree about the fresh tomatoes. Seems like people would be eating tomatoes for every meal for the first week or two.

 

The fresh meat, on the other hand. I'm pretty sure it goes in the freezer. They make a big thing these days about "fresh, never frozen", but there's not a thing wrong with frozen meat. I think they specified fresh meat, meaning raw meat, to separate it from the canned or salted meat.

[Cypress Sun]

27 minutes ago, Sedalia Dave said:

Wonder how they kept some of the fresh food from spoiling? 

 

Fresh tomatoes will not last long. The fresh beef will have a limited shelf life.

 

21 minutes ago, Alpo said:

I agree about the fresh tomatoes. Seems like people would be eating tomatoes for every meal for the first week or two.

 

The fresh meat, on the other hand. I'm pretty sure it goes in the freezer. They make a big thing these days about "fresh, never frozen", but there's not a thing wrong with frozen meat. I think they specified fresh meat, meaning raw meat, to separate it from the canned or salted meat.

 

Many the food items that people consumed during the early 1900's would probably would never pass any kind of modern inspection. Fresh meat and the like would likely be frozen or at least stored at very cool temperatures. Fresh vegetables would need to be consumed fairly quickly.

Canned food, especially meat, was often rotten or spoiled before it even got canned as laws and regulations concerning canning practices were still years into the future. Salting canned meat/food wasn't only to preserve the meat, it also covered up rotten/spoiled taste and odors.

[Pat Riot]

CWT means “Hundredweight” which equals:

 

The value of a hundredweight differs in its American and British usages. In the United States, a hundredweight is a unit of mass equal to 100 pounds. In the United Kingdom, a hundredweight is a unit of mass equal to 112 pounds. The two values are sometimes distinguished by referring to the American hundredweight as a "short hundredweight" and the British hundredweight as a "long hundredweight." The short hundredweight is also sometimes called a "cental."

 

Found this here:

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/h/hundredweight.asp

[Subdeacon Joe]

4 hours ago, Pat Riot said:

a hundredweight is a unit of mass equal to 112 pounds.

 

That's 8 stone.  

[Subdeacon Joe]

5 hours ago, Sedalia Dave said:

Wonder how they kept some of the fresh food from spoiling? 

 

Fresh tomatoes will not last long. The fresh beef will have a limited shelf life.

 

Standard components of both a "Typical English Breakfast" and a "Ploughman's Lunch" are fresh tomatoes.  A crew of ~800 would go through that amount pretty quickly. 

Beef - if truly fresh, hang it in a dry cold storage and it becomes what we now call "Dry Aged Beef."

 

8 hours ago, Linn Keller, SASS 27332, BOLD 103 said:

Subdeacon Joe and Alpo, thank you both.

 

My pleasure.  Your definition of  "Tinned Brawn" is a little off, it being more a headcheese than "meatloaf in gel."  But, given military provisioning, you might actually be closer to the truth.  

[Pat Riot]

“1000 boxes of cigarettes”. I have no idea how many that is but in 1916 a Dreadnought carried 800 officers and enlisted in her crew. I am guessing a box was a case. I believe a case of cigarettes is 60 cartons of 10 packs of cigarettes at 20 cigarettes to a pack. 
That’s a lot of smokes! 

[Chantry]

Today's useless information: if the drawing is reasonably accurate, the ship is part of the Neptune/Colossus class (Neptune, Colossus, Hercules). All three were launched in 1911

 

 

[Forty Rod SASS 3935]

No Burritos, no dill pickles, no frozen breakfasts, no orange marmalade, no OJ, how did they survive?

 

Oh, yeah: Pussers rum.  

[Eyesa Horg]

At least they had plenty of beef! 

[Abilene Slim SASS 81783]

3 hours ago, Chantry said:

Today's useless information: if the drawing is reasonably accurate, the ship is part of the Neptune/Colossus class (Neptune, Colossus, Hercules). All three were launched in 1911

 

 

Bingo.
 

By then, refrigeration equipment may have been available on large ships. If not, coolers were sophisticated enough to keep things cold until the next re-provisioning. 

[Pat Riot]

2 hours ago, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said:

No Burritos, no dill pickles, no frozen breakfasts, no orange marmalade, no OJ, how did they survive?

 

Oh, yeah: Pussers rum.  

We had none of that in 1980. 

[Forty Rod SASS 3935]

1 hour ago, Pat Riot said:

We had none of that in 1980. 

I know.  Sad wasn't it?