Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 11 hours ago, Major B. S. Walker said: Seems this WTC has gone all over the place. For a while there I thought it might be locked out before I got the info to follow up. I had to wait for the Match Director to get back to town today to get a copy of the stage scores to verify. So here is the scoop. I was at this match and was the first time I had ever been to this Cowboy Club. I was spotting at that time during stage four and I was the first one to call a P for not holstering the pistol before the shotgun was fired. One other spotter also called this. When the TO turned and said we don't call a penalty on staging pistols here, he had momentarily forgot that pistols were not last until I pointed that out. A brief discussion occurred, over was it a P or a minor safety. The results as was written on the actual score sheet was a P. There was also one miss on that stage so the results for stage four was one miss and one procedural for not re-holstering the pistol. Mr. Lawman was accessed the proper penalty's. All officers did their jobs correctly and I will be more than happy to shoot at that club again. Now, lets all shake hands and have a cup of coffee. Just a clarification about laying the pistols on a prop. This may be done with the first pistol (first five shots for a non Gunfighter), when it is followed immediately by the second pistol. As long as it is holstered at the end of the pistol string, before a different type of gun is fired. It doesn't need to be the last gun. It is just more efficient when the pistols are the last gun string and is usually only done then for this reason. The key is holstering before another type of gun is shot. Regards, Allie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 PS SHB p. 14. "Revolvers are returned to leather (re-holstered) (in a safe condition) at the conclusion of the shooting string, unless the stage description specifically directs otherwise (e.g., “move to the next position and set gun on table or prop”). A shooting string is defined as shots from one type of firearm prior to the next type of firearm engaged." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_of_Hearts Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 said: PS SHB p. 14. "Revolvers are returned to leather (re-holstered) (in a safe condition) at the conclusion of the shooting string, unless the stage description specifically directs otherwise (e.g., “move to the next position and set gun on table or prop”). A shooting string is defined as shots from one type of firearm prior to the next type of firearm engaged." Read the very important part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colt Laredo Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 17 hours ago, irish ike, SASS #43615 said: I get the one shot reload. So if you shoot 58 Remmies and have extra cylinders or won many pistols you could compete? Rugers, can't buy extra cylinders Navy and Army Colts taking out the wedge is a challenge. I guess just bring a lot of pistols, 2 sets? Ike 19 hours ago, irish ike, SASS #43615 said: Colt Laredo, how do you handle cap and ball pistols? Ike I've seen shooters stage a third uncapped loaded revolver or change out one of the cylinders with a loaded uncapped one. Both methods need to be capped on the clock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major BS Walker Regulator Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Ms. Allie, you are correct, it didn't matter if it was first or second pistol staged, the penalty did not occur until the shotgun was actually fired with a pistol still out of leather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major BS Walker Regulator Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Carolina Gunslinger, would a couple shots of Baileys suffice in that coffee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Texas jack Black SASS#9362 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Why all the discussion on a call all RO'S should know .It is a rookie call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major BS Walker Regulator Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Age my have been a factor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Texas jack Black SASS#9362 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 I am also at times in the same boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carolina Gunslinger Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 9 hours ago, Major B. S. Walker said: Carolina Gunslinger, would a couple shots of Baileys suffice in that coffee Now how would you know that? Half and half...keeps the coffee cool and the company entertained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramblin Gambler Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 Surprised no one said it was no call if he hollered broke gun. Yes I know he didn't holler broke gun, but we had a long discussion about the stage instructions allowing the pistols to be staged when they clearly didn't. And on that point, I have seen a few stages where the pistols started out staged on the table and the instructions said to 'make safe.' The question was asked before the stage and we were told that meant they could be restaged on the table or reholstered; shooter's choice. On one stage I think he even clarified 'Make safe anywhere'. The stages that started with the pistols holstered didn't have the 'make safe' verbiage at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Ramblin Gambler said: Surprised no one said it was no call if he hollered broke gun. Yes I know he didn't holler broke gun, but we had a long discussion about the stage instructions allowing the pistols to be staged when they clearly didn't. And on that point, I have seen a few stages where the pistols started out staged on the table and the instructions said to 'make safe.' The question was asked before the stage and we were told that meant they could be restaged on the table or reholstered; shooter's choice. On one stage I think he even clarified 'Make safe anywhere'. The stages that started with the pistols holstered didn't have the 'make safe' verbiage at all. I'd just give the guy a SOG and move on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 2 hours ago, Ramblin Gambler said: Surprised no one said it was no call if he hollered broke gun. Yes I know he didn't holler broke gun, but we had a long discussion about the stage instructions allowing the pistols to be staged when they clearly didn't. ... Why would anyone suggest hollering "broke gun" after firing 5 shots from a firearm that was very clearly NOT broken?? Just to avoid taking the time to reholster? I agree with Phantom re assessing a SOG penalty if someone tried that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramblin Gambler Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 Maybe he's got a conversion and his loading lever fell down, preventing him reholstering. Or maybe he only counted 4 and can't figure out why the 5th round won't fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Ramblin Gambler said: Maybe he's got a conversion and his loading lever fell down, preventing him reholstering. Or maybe he only counted 4 and can't figure out why the 5th round won't fire. You implied that he didn't actually have a problem with his gun... Stating the painfully obvious does not add to the conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carolina Gunslinger Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 Maybe the good idea fairy came by and decided to help with the match... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramblin Gambler Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 2 hours ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said: You implied that he didn't actually have a problem with his gun... Stating the painfully obvious does not add to the conversation. I certainly didn't mean to imply anything. I'll watch out for what auto correct is inserting between my lines in the future. Stop reading things I don't write. I'm perfectly capable of getting into trouble on my own. I put it into the same category as the stage instructions specifically allowing him to stage the gun ... which they didn't. But we had a big whatif discussion about it anyway. I was just saying I was surprised no one whatiffed that he hollered broke gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawman Mays Posted November 5, 2018 Author Share Posted November 5, 2018 Major B.S. Walker is correct. End of story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Didn't we settle this two pages ago? Shooter gets a P per the manual. Why do we continue to spew "expert" advice and belittle those that present a different opinion? The horse is dead, Quit kickin it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Spur Jake SASS #7728 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 In my 74 years of life here in the great USA, I have watched many Westerns at the movie theaters on DVD's and on TV. In all those years and all those Westerns I have never seen the Duke or Gene or Roy or Paladin or the Lone Ranger or Hoppy or any of our heroes ever put their revolver down on a table and then go for another firearm. Oh, I've seen them THROW revolvers somewhere, but I think if we did that in SASS it would be some kind of a penalty. Three pages on the wire for something SASS members should know if they read the rules. Oh, I'm sorry, reading the rules in not a requirement for shooting CAS. It's like not knowing what's in the Constitution for Democrats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 As I don't have a 10 foot or longer pole, I'm backing away from this thread. At least I thought I was being funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Hey The Rainmaker and Lone Spur Jake, You guys aren't new here (I looked at your SASS Numbers). You should know that a three-page meandering thread is par for the Wire course. Just trying to be funny again. Allie Mo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carolina Gunslinger Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 I think the shooter should be tied to a wagon wheel while someone reads the SHB aloud to him...slowly. Then he should be presented with a pistol loaded with a single shot, whiskey, and a card that says the next reading begins in five minutes...make the most of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Too right, Allie... too right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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