Lead Friend, SASS #53635 Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 I recently started reloading .45-70 and have been using brass I’ve stockpiled over the years. I sort and reload my brass by headstamp. I started with Starline and everything has worked predictably well. Last night I cleaned some PMC brass and it’s not the same bright yellow as clean Starline, rather it has a reddish hue to it almost like it’s copper washed. A Google search hasn’t revealed any clues although one forum said that PMC brass is heavier than other headstamps. Are there any notable differences between PMC .45-70 brass and others that I should consider? Is it worth the effort to reload it? Thank you in advance for considering this question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lead Monger Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 PMC brass will reload just fine. I segregate my brass by headstamp also and sometimes a slight adjustment in powder charge is called for due to the different case capacities. Also adjusting the crimp die for different brass is not uncommon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot, SASS #13748 Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 I would think it would be just fine. I ran into a similar situation a long time ago with 30-30 and .357. No biggie. BUT (there is always a "but") make sure the length is okay. Sometimes, Hornady is a good example, the length is just slightly longer or shorter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 7 minutes ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said: I would think it would be just fine. I ran into a similar situation a long time ago with 30-30 and .357. No biggie. BUT (there is always a "but") make sure the length is okay. Sometimes, Hornady is a good example, the length is just slightly longer or shorter. Yep Hornady Leveroution ammo in 45-70 uses a shorter than standard case. If you ever buy used 45-70 be sure it is not the Leveroution brass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 How much shorter? OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish-Pat Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 When you pull the trigger on a 45-70 Leverution cartridge in a light carbine you won’t do it again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 7 minutes ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: How much shorter? OLG IIRC it is about 0.070 shorter than the SAAMI spec. Here is a pic I found. The Leverolution brass in on the left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 I would NOT use it then. IF that is the case. OP-What is the length difference? OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: I would NOT use it then. IF that is the case. OP-What is the length difference? OLG OP's question was about PMC brass that is a lot redder in color than new Starline brass. His brass doesn't have the length issue. I was just clarifying PR's post about some Hornady brass being a non-standard length. I got a couple cases in a lot of used brass I bought a couple of years ago and learned a lot researching the issue. BTW you can reload the shorter Leverolution brass just fine. You just have to have a crimp die that will work with the shorter brass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Sedalia Dave said: OP's question was about PMC brass that is a lot redder in color than new Starline brass. His brass doesn't have the length issue. I was just clarifying PR's post about some Hornady brass being a non-standard length. I got a couple cases in a lot of used brass I bought a couple of years ago and learned a lot researching the issue. BTW you can reload the shorter Leverolution brass just fine. You just have to have a crimp die that will work with the shorter brass. YOU are correct, as to the OP's concern. Some how I got it in my little brain he was also ask'n about length.......... I will not run the short leverolution brass for any serious match grade loading. To much bullet 'jump'. You should always be crimping lever gun ammo. OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot, SASS #13748 Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Sedalia Dave said: Yep Hornady Leveroution ammo in 45-70 uses a shorter than standard case. If you ever buy used 45-70 be sure it is not the Leveroution brass. That’s exactly right. Many of Hornady’s loads have short brass. 45 Colt, .357, .38 and not just in Leverevolution, which by the way, shoots wonderfully in my guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michigan Slim Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 PMC makes good brass. Load away. I really like their .223 brass a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yusta B. Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 The reddish color may be from someone using vinegar or some other acid base cleaner on the PMC brass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Crimes Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 3 hours ago, Irish-Pat said: When you pull the trigger on a 45-70 Leverution cartridge in a light carbine you won’t do it again! Try a box of it in a Baikal DR I was balck and blue from my shoulder to my elbow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Them light weight rifles don't soak up much recoil. That's why they invented Magnum recoil pads. Limbsaver 1.5" Nitro recoil pad Pachmayr F990 1.5" Triple Magnum Recoil Pad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabez Cowboy,SASS # 50129 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 If you think Hornady Lever evolution .45-70 rounds Kick ,,, you sure wouldn't like shooting my Back-up loads from when I was Guiding bear hunts .... Jabez Cowboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Reb, SASS #54804 Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 13 hours ago, Major Crimes said: Try a box of it in a Baikal DR I was balck and blue from my shoulder to my elbow 400 gr Speer flat point. 1800 fps. Marlin 1895. Recoil is noticable. fun to shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lead Friend, SASS #53635 Posted February 2, 2018 Author Share Posted February 2, 2018 Thanks to all for your responses. I will load away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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