Mudflat Mike, SASS #20904 Posted October 1, 2014 Posted October 1, 2014 Here in Washington state, we have a new initiative, I594. It would require NICS checks on all transfers of firearms in the state. It would also make it a crime to hand a gun to any person without that check, unless you're an FFL.. No more loaning guns at shoots, No more taking people to the range to try different firearms. No more selling/trading with friends and relatives without a dealer involved (and more cash). The nice folks at Microsoft, Bill Gates, Paul Allen, Steve Ballmer and others from Microsoft management have donated over 2 million $$$ to support this bill. Each time you do business with Microsoft, you're giving funds to use to disrupt our way of life and abridge the 2nd Amendment. You will be paying to destroy our sport. I went to the Apple store yesterday and bought a new Mac, so yes, I put my money where my mouth is. So far, I like it better anyways!
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted October 1, 2014 Posted October 1, 2014 Here in Washington state, we have a new initiative, I594. It would require NICS checks on all transfers of firearms in the state. It would also make it a crime to hand a gun to any person without that check, unless you're an FFL.. No more loaning guns at shoots, No more taking people to the range to try different firearms. No more selling/trading with friends and relatives without a dealer involved (and more cash). The nice folks at Microsoft, Bill Gates, Paul Allen, Steve Ballmer and others from Microsoft management have donated over 2 million $$$ to support this bill. Each time you do business with Microsoft, you're giving funds to use to disrupt our way of life and abridge the 2nd Amendment. You will be paying to destroy our sport. I went to the Apple store yesterday and bought a new Mac, so yes, I put my money where my mouth is. So far, I like it better anyways! Good point Mike. Kinda like we did with the middle east folks and gasoline. Give them money to fight against us.
guitar_slinger Posted October 1, 2014 Posted October 1, 2014 The fine folks at Apple are pretty darn liberal too.
Sedalia Dave Posted October 1, 2014 Posted October 1, 2014 I abandoned Microsoft in favor of LINUX this year. Much much better OS and I can buy more guns and ammunition with all the money I saved
Mudflat Mike, SASS #20904 Posted October 1, 2014 Author Posted October 1, 2014 The fine folks at Apple are pretty darn liberal too. I"m sure you're correct, but none of 'em show up on the "who gave money" list for this measure.
guitar_slinger Posted October 1, 2014 Posted October 1, 2014 http://influenceexplorer.com/organization/apple-inc/6fba97b1038744ad8ab27d5fac99bfd7 Interesting site to see just where our favorite companies are spending their political contributions. Advised to poke around it a bit, use the site search to pull up info about a company. Enlightening.
DocWard Posted October 1, 2014 Posted October 1, 2014 I will simply say I am a long, long time Apple user. My first Mac was a "Mac SE" which meant it had two 3.5" floppy drives. Oh, and not an endorsement or anything else, but there is at least one famous Apple user who is very vocal about his use thereof. Rush Limbaugh.
Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438 Posted October 1, 2014 Posted October 1, 2014 Well, not quite. The money supporting such legislation comes from Gates, et al - private money from private individuals. If you tried to stop spending money on goods and services sold by companies whose employees (or former employees) used their money to support causes with which you disagree, you might as well stop buying just about everything. I understand your pain, but not your solution. If you don't like the law, perhaps you need to become active in a group that opposes the law, rather than urging a boycott that is unlikely to have any real effect. Not as dramatic, and harder to accomplish, but more likely to achieve what you seek. LL
DocWard Posted October 1, 2014 Posted October 1, 2014 Gotcha beat. My first Apple was a II+. My wife had one of those when we first started dating. We've owned nothing but Apple computers
Sagerider Posted October 1, 2014 Posted October 1, 2014 Loophole, no doubt you are correct. But a individual's personal boycott and recommendations to friends and neighbors are personally satisfying. I drive farther to shop at Lowes rather than Home Depot which is nearer to my home because of HD's lack of support for traditional marriage. And, I do support organizations and political parties that do as well. Anything that works and this response is created on my MacBook Pro. Sagerider
Jittery Jim Jonah, SASS #64913L Posted October 1, 2014 Posted October 1, 2014 Gotcha beat. My first Apple was a II+. I feel like a late bloomer...... mine was the original Macintosh with a whopping 68k operating system! JJJ-D :ph34r:
Shorty Jack Hammer Posted October 1, 2014 Posted October 1, 2014 If that passes Mudflat I'm gonna be a lawbreaker
J-BAR #18287 Posted October 1, 2014 Posted October 1, 2014 How in the world do they expect to enforce such a law?
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted October 1, 2014 Posted October 1, 2014 Beats me. But it looks good on TV for the masses.
Mudflat Mike, SASS #20904 Posted November 5, 2014 Author Posted November 5, 2014 Update: It appears the bill has passed, my life has taken a bad hit I'm sick of this "Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither'. Ben Franklin
Deacon Henry, SASS #53503L Posted November 5, 2014 Posted November 5, 2014 Sounds like NYSAFE Act is spreading. Keep an eye for what is coming.
Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619 Posted November 5, 2014 Posted November 5, 2014 Pro-gun forces were poorly organized to fight this initiative (which passed). I don't think the law itself will have much effect, except on outright private sales of guns. I don't think that in fact it will affect the things that Mike says in his post; not to say it isn't a bad law. The real problem is for the future in this state. This is a straw in the wind, or the camel's nose under the tent. Washington State, notwithstanding that it has long been a pretty liberal state politically, has always had good gun laws. It has a strong constitutional provision, it has had "shall-issue" for concealed pistol licenses since 1959, and it has long had a law prohibiting cities from enacting gun laws stricter than the state law. These will all come under attack in the future by the initiative process. Ten million bucks was put into the pro-I-594 push here, a mil each from Bloomberg, Gates, Ballmer and others. Boycotts are meaningless. What will be important will be serious organization and money for the big fights to come. These guys will be very encouraged by this, and their money will keep coming. Opposition was muted, because they started with the most "non-controversial" of gun control measures-- by design.
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted November 5, 2014 Posted November 5, 2014 Pro-gun forces were poorly organized to fight this initiative (which passed). I don't think the law itself will have much effect, except on outright private sales of guns. I don't think that in fact it will affect the things that Mike says in his post; not to say it isn't a bad law. The real problem is for the future in this state. This is a straw in the wind, or the camel's nose under the tent. Washington State, notwithstanding that it has long been a pretty liberal state politically, has always had good gun laws. It has a strong constitutional provision, it has had "shall-issue" for concealed pistol licenses since 1959, and it has long had a law prohibiting cities from enacting gun laws stricter than the state law. These will all come under attack in the future by the initiative process. Ten million bucks was put into the pro-I-594 push here, a mil each from Bloomberg, Gates, Ballmer and others. Boycotts are meaningless. What will be important will be serious organization and money for the big fights to come. These guys will be very encouraged by this, and their money will keep coming. Opposition was muted, because they started with the most "non-controversial" of gun control measures-- by design. Red is correct. More to come. Washington, and I suspect Oregon, have been infected with the spread of California's liberal ideas.
Rusty Chains Posted November 5, 2014 Posted November 5, 2014 Speaking of New York, did the idiots that wrote this law remember to exempt law enforcement? I don't buy Microsoft products any longer as the quality is low and the price is high Linux is better with fewer bugs (Apple puts their core OS on top of IX) and lots of essentially free programs are available to run on Linux.
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