Orient Express Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 I intend to shoot substitute BP. I've just noticed wads for .38spl come in either 0.360" for pistol or 0.380" for rifle. Why is there a difference? I shoot Ruger NMV and Uberti 1873 rifle and have always used the same (smokeless) ammo for both. Can I just use 0.360" for both instead? EDIT: I'll be using Wano which I now know is not a BP sub, so I'll need a wad in addition to the over-powder card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michigan Slim Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 Use the .360. The .380 is for .38-55. At least at my house Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chas B. Wolfson, SASS #11104 Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 I have used .360 wads since 2001 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orient Express Posted April 6, 2022 Author Share Posted April 6, 2022 great, thanks pards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCandless Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Orient Express said: I intend to shoot substitute BP. I've just noticed wads for .38spl come in either 0.360" for pistol or 0.380" for rifle. Why is there a difference? I shoot Ruger NMV and Uberti 1873 rifle and have always used the same (smokeless) ammo for both. Can I just use 0.360" for both instead? Do not use lubed wads with BP Substitutes unless you are using Pyrodex. Most citric acid based subs make their own lube and mixing with BP lube may result in a hardened fouling. There is no need for a wad in a .38 Special, you're only using approx 1.3cc. Seat the bullet right on the powder. The .380 wads are for .36 percussion revolvers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orient Express Posted April 6, 2022 Author Share Posted April 6, 2022 16 minutes ago, McCandless said: Do not use lubed wads with BP Substitutes unless you are using Pyrodex. Most citric acid based subs make their own lube and mixing with BP lube may result in a hardened fouling. There is no need for a wad in a .38 Special, you're only using approx 1.3cc. Seat the bullet right on the powder. The .380 wads are for .36 percussion revolvers. This might be a dumb question but I assume Wano, which I'll be using, is a BP substitute? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 The Wano that I have used was real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orient Express Posted April 6, 2022 Author Share Posted April 6, 2022 36 minutes ago, Eyesa Horg said: The Wano that I have used was real. Ah OK. reading the Wano site again doesn't mention anything about substitute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCandless Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 3 hours ago, Orient Express said: This might be a dumb question but I assume Wano, which I'll be using, is a BP substitute? Nope, that's true BP not a sub. If you use BP lubed bullets you don't need a felt wad. But, some folks do anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orient Express Posted April 6, 2022 Author Share Posted April 6, 2022 14 minutes ago, McCandless said: Nope, that's true BP not a sub. If you use BP lubed bullets you don't need a felt wad. But, some folks do anyway. I'll be using regular smokeless bullets so will need to use an over-powder card and felt wad. Do I need lube as well in between the wad and bullet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cusz M. Dutch SASS Life 55326 Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 Go to BIG LUBE bullets for real BP. Will save you a lot of frustration in the long run and fussing with wads, grits or moon dust. There are several vendors out there that sell them or order yourself a mold. This will save you 1-2 years of chasing around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted April 6, 2022 Share Posted April 6, 2022 PLUS ONE for C.M. Dutch. Using bullets with smokeless type crayon lube will just give you fits, when with wads. Simplify your life experience by using "Big Lube" bullets which carry a boat load of BP Lube and wads are completely unnecessary. WANO is actual BP, NOT a substitute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 22 hours ago, Orient Express said: I'll be using regular smokeless bullets so will need to use an over-powder card and felt wad. Do I need lube as well in between the wad and bullet? Your original post says you are going to use a BP substitute. There’s no need for a wad since the subs are compatible with smokeless bullets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 Slim The OP then clarified his powder. WANO. Want is real, honest to goodness, basic Black Powder. OP is NOT going to shoot Subs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted April 7, 2022 Share Posted April 7, 2022 3 hours ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said: Slim The OP then clarified his powder. WANO. Want is real, honest to goodness, basic Black Powder. OP is NOT going to shoot Subs. Well that changes things a bit, don't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Creek,5759 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 I cut out my own Wads out of old primer boxes, cereal boxes. I screw the punch down in my old RCBS Rock Chucker. Can make enough punches in an hour to last all year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orient Express Posted April 8, 2022 Author Share Posted April 8, 2022 I've just ordered a 9mm (0.354") and 19mm (3/4") punch and try them out. If need be I can open up the 9mm punch slightly to get to 0.36". I intend to use cereal boxes for over-powder and over-shot cards. Maybe some 0.06" thick rubberised cork sheet from the automotive store as wads. Is this material OK as it's rubberised? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 2 hours ago, Orient Express said: I've just ordered a 9mm (0.354") and 19mm (3/4") punch and try them out. If need be I can open up the 9mm punch slightly to get to 0.36". I intend to use cereal boxes for over-powder and over-shot cards. Maybe some 0.06" thick rubberised cork sheet from the automotive store as wads. Is this material OK as it's rubberised? What do you hope to achieve with the wads? Also, I don’t understand “over-shot cards” for .38 cal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 41 minutes ago, Abilene Slim SASS 81783 said: What do you hope to achieve with the wads? Also, I don’t understand “over-shot cards” for .38 cal. Wads are sometimes used between powder and bullet instead of a filler... With a lubed wad, an over-powder card is good insurance that the lube won't migrate into your powder... However, I wonder sometimes if that really happens... I've got BP rounds in 45Colt I've loaded many years ago... still fire and go bang, even after careful storage out in my barn... where summer temps often exceed 110ºF. Although in all fairness, they are in MTM boxes with bullet down. An over-shot card is nonsense when using a single projectile. Also, the only sub I understand doesn't require a BP compatible (non-petroleum based) lube is APP. ISTR there's another, but it's nitro-cellulose based, therefore illegal for SASS. .380 wads are for .36 cal front-stuffers. Whether long guns or handguns.. And work just as well in anything from .35 to .40 caliber... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 777 also doesn’t need BP compatible lube. Unless I’ve missed something (possible) the OP is asking about cartridge wads as opposed to cap & ball front stuffers. Hope he chimes in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orient Express Posted April 9, 2022 Author Share Posted April 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Abilene Slim SASS 81783 said: What do you hope to achieve with the wads? Also, I don’t understand “over-shot cards” for .38 cal. As I stated above I've ordered a 3/4" punch, obviously for 12g, hence need a over-shot card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted April 9, 2022 Share Posted April 9, 2022 Just now, Orient Express said: As I stated above I've ordered a 3/4" punch, obviously for 12g, hence need a over-shot card. Thanks. My question about the cartridges remains. What’s the goal for the .38 wads - reduced recoil? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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