Hendo Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 With all of my super technical expertise I have not been able to get the search function or poople to give me the answer I seek. I shoot Duelist and my main match pistols are Cimarron Model P's. Over the past year I have picked up two Ruger NMV's and installed modified Super Blackhawk hammers. (I narrowed the thumb pad to the spur width.) Obviously there are differences between the Ubertis and the Rugers. My original intention was to have the Rugers as backups, and I really do like the lowered hammers, but we'll see. So the question is, Can I heat and bend the Uberti spurs down? Does this have to be a cut and weld deal? If so, who does it? I had seen that somebody (can't remember who) cut and welded SBH hammers on to Italian hammers, but I don't want that wide of a hammer. I'm hoping y'all that are smarter than me can help. And yes, this is a Friday night sipping whiskey question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 Quote All parts may be smoothed, re-profiled, polished, de-burred, or replaced provided they are not prohibited in these Covenants. SHB p.32 Quote Ruger Super-Blackhawk/Montado style revolver hammers (i.e., lowered and widened hammers) are acceptable on both adjustable and fixed sight model revolvers. SHB p.33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip Snorter Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 Here's one from olden days that interests me - don't think it is legal but i have a single action i don't use for SASS. Search this if interested - king's cockeyed hammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 7 minutes ago, Hendo said: With all of my super technical expertise I have not been able to get the search function or poople to give me the answer I seek. I shoot Duelist and my main match pistols are Cimarron Model P's. Over the past year I have picked up two Ruger NMV's and installed modified Super Blackhawk hammers. (I narrowed the thumb pad to the spur width.) Obviously there are differences between the Ubertis and the Rugers. My original intention was to have the Rugers as backups, and I really do like the lowered hammers, but we'll see. So the question is, Can I heat and bend the Uberti spurs down? Does this have to be a cut and weld deal? If so, who does it? I had seen that somebody (can't remember who) cut and welded SBH hammers on to Italian hammers, but I don't want that wide of a hammer. I'm hoping y'all that are smarter than me can help. And yes, this is a Friday night sipping whiskey question. Yes it can be done. However done incorrectly the hammers are worse than if they had never been bent. There are smiths that can do it correctly I suggest you buy a second set and have them fitted to the gun. Then send one set to a smith that knows what they are doing. I had a pair of 58s that a previous owner attempted to bend themselves. Were useless for shooting duelist as your thumb would slip off the hammer as you cocked them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendo Posted February 19, 2022 Author Share Posted February 19, 2022 14 minutes ago, PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L said: SHB p.32 SHB p.33 Yup, read that, but I ain't sure what you're trying to tell me there Amigo. Are you saying I should not have narrowed my SBH hammers? I would have thought would be covered under re-profiling, deburring and polishing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Dead Ed Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 If your Cimmaron’s are Uberti’s, go look at Taylor’s and Company Firearms. In the parts section look for their Running Iron Hammers. Make sure you get the right firing pin version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 12 minutes ago, Hendo said: Yup, read that, but I ain't sure what you're trying to tell me there Amigo. Are you saying I should not have narrowed my SBH hammers? I would have thought would be covered under re-profiling, deburring and polishing. "Re-profile" as referenced in the SHB means changing the side view, as in heating/bending or cutting/welding hammer spurs is allowed. Nothing to do with narrowing the hammer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendo Posted February 19, 2022 Author Share Posted February 19, 2022 12 minutes ago, Not Dead Ed said: If your Cimmaron’s are Uberti’s, go look at Taylor’s and Company Firearms. In the parts section look for their Running Iron Hammers. Make sure you get the right firing pin version. Tried that. All they sell is the wrong firing pin version now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Dead Ed Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 7 hours ago, Hendo said: Tried that. All they sell is the wrong firing pin version now. The stupid plunger safety can be deleted, but it takes a piece of (if I remember right) 3/16” drill rod placed behind the firing pin, and pulling the stupid plunger…. I was going to do it, but I got the stupid plungers properly polished up so they didn’t light hit the primers. It’s a bit of work to get the length right but it is doable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chas B. Wolfson, SASS #11104 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 Sent you a P.M. with info. Regards, Chas B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Slim SASS #24733 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 Not Dead Ed; Or push out the retaining pin, re-noth the plunger, shove it back in all the way and re-install the pin. No extra parts to buy and I can change it back if I want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Dead Ed Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Springfield Slim SASS #24733 said: Not Dead Ed; Or push out the retaining pin, re-noth the plunger, shove it back in all the way and re-install the pin. No extra parts to buy and I can change it back if I want to. Ooooo, I like that. Might try to out on a spare stock hammer. Did you rotate the pin? What’d you do with the bevel at the tip that rides along the back of the pin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 Back when low hammers were illegal for SASS other than Bisleys, it was always legal for Mounted shooting. There were no low hammers available but a guy in California used to heat and bend them for a lot of shooters, for $50 each I think. But he had a jig of some sort to get them just right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Painted Mohawk SASS 77785 Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 I heated & bent the hammers on my wifes Stainless .38 NMV..they polished right back up & look & work well, can't comment on the other brands... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Slim SASS #24733 Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 Ed: I don't remember, I did it a few months ago. I still have the other one to do, I will answer you then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Dead Ed Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 2 hours ago, Springfield Slim SASS #24733 said: Ed: I don't remember, I did it a few months ago. I still have the other one to do, I will answer you then. Hi Slim, I just took one of my extra hammers popped out the pin, pulled the plunger, and filed a notch on the opposite side of the groove. It looks like it has everything in place. The bevel on the tip just lets the plunger move up and down easier it seems. And like you said, if you sell and need to put the safety back in place, you just rotate it back. I’ll put the hammer in one of my guns to try it out. Thanks for the tip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Not Dead Ed said: Hi Slim, I just took one of my extra hammers popped out the pin, pulled the plunger, and filed a notch on the opposite side of the groove. It looks like it has everything in place. The bevel on the tip just lets the plunger move up and down easier it seems. And like you said, if you sell and need to put the safety back in place, you just rotate it back. I’ll put the hammer in one of my guns to try it out. Thanks for the tip. Any chance of getting a picture of this mod? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Slim SASS #24733 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 I'll take pics when I do the other one. Pretty easy, though. The most difficult part is filing the new notch in the pin, as it wants to move on you. I just used a very small file and marked the pin while I held it in place. You mostly have to know the height, so even if it turns a bit you can still file it opposite the original cut-out in the pin. Just take it slow and file the new notch in stages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Rapid Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 Yup, you can, and it's not very difficult. Ideal to clamp bottom portion of hammer in vise to absorb some heat. The hammer on the right was easily bent and re-shaped with Oxy/acetylene torch. And, of course, I did hammers on both pistols. RR PS: And, of course, I removed firing pins before applying heat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choctaw Silver Wolf SASS 66636 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 1872 Army open top in 38 cal. 4-1/2” barrel , slim gunfighter grips , reworked arbor , light springs, reset front sight. Lower hammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chas B. Wolfson, SASS #11104 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 A few Choctaw has lowered the hammer spur for us. Chas B xxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Dead Ed Posted March 7, 2022 Share Posted March 7, 2022 On 2/20/2022 at 6:23 PM, Sedalia Dave said: Any chance of getting a picture of this mod? Sorry it took some time. I hadn’t had a chance to mod one since. Here are details. My apologies for the typos, meant firing pin for hammer, and it changed plunger to plunder… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendo Posted March 7, 2022 Author Share Posted March 7, 2022 Thanks to Choctaw Silver Wolf my thumbs are now happier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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