Coyote Kincaid Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 So most of the threads are whether or not you can afford the $20. I've seen posts about shaming "guests" because they let their membership slide. A lot of name calling. A lot of.... well you know. So I thought I would post the numbers and let you decide. I will only be looking at the new fees here and I am going by the information already previously given. Now we have 19,867 annual paying members with 7,568 life members. Under the current rate of $45 SASS is receiving $894,015. Now remember this number, we will come back to it. SASS wants $65 which will equate to $1,291,355. That is a difference of $397,340. Most everybody knows about the $100 club affiliation fee. Now I didn't have a current source for those numbers so I broke out the March 2014 issue of the CC and started counting. There are 495 clubs in the U.S. and 100 International. Now for arguments sake we are going to look at max potential for income here just like any business would. At that rate they would collect $49,500 from the U.S. clubs and $10,000 from the International clubs. Now I'm not sure if anyone knows that SASS will collect $5 per shooter for a State match and $10 for a Regional match. Now don't fool yourself, the clubs will pass that on so you will be paying for that. So let's say everyone goes to one State match and one Regional match. 19,867x$5= $99,335 X$10= $198,670 7,568x$5= $37,840 X$10= $75,680 So if everything goes in SASS's favor and they are able to maximize their profits, they stand to gain $868,365 in a single year. Now compare that number to the one at the top that I told you about. That is almost 100% increase in funds. More than likely they will receive 60-75% of that projection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 So what's your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Sage, SASS #49891 Life Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 It's a privately held business. Bottom line is you pay to play! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote Kincaid Posted August 30, 2015 Author Share Posted August 30, 2015 So what's your point? Sorry about that I thought I put that in. But, to keep the burden off the clubs and to help SASS maximize their earnings projections ALL, yearly and life, would need to give $31.65. That's one way to look at it. The other way to look at it is where is all this money going? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote Kincaid Posted August 30, 2015 Author Share Posted August 30, 2015 Bottom line is you pay to play! Not necessarily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chili Pepper Pete 11917 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Waste of my time reading this all hat no cattle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Culpepper 32827 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 more whining!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! like I sed in another thread,,, go load some ammo so you can go play,,, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pick Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 How about we DON'T just look at the numbers and go shoot instead?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lead Ringer Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 So most of the threads are whether or not you can afford the $20. I've seen posts about shaming "guests" because they let their membership slide. A lot of name calling. A lot of.... well you know. So I thought I would post the numbers and let you decide. I will only be looking at the new fees here and I am going by the information already previously given. Now we have 19,867 annual paying members with 7,568 life members. Under the current rate of $45 SASS is receiving $894,015. Now remember this number, we will come back to it. SASS wants $65 which will equate to $1,291,355. That is a difference of $397,340. Most everybody knows about the $100 club affiliation fee. Now I didn't have a current source for those numbers so I broke out the March 2014 issue of the CC and started counting. There are 495 clubs in the U.S. and 100 International. Now for arguments sake we are going to look at max potential for income here just like any business would. At that rate they would collect $49,500 from the U.S. clubs and $10,000 from the International clubs. Now I'm not sure if anyone knows that SASS will collect $5 per shooter for a State match and $10 for a Regional match. Now don't fool yourself, the clubs will pass that on so you will be paying for that. So let's say everyone goes to one State match and one Regional match. 19,867x$5= $99,335 X$10= $198,670 7,568x$5= $37,840 X$10= $75,680 So if everything goes in SASS's favor and they are able to maximize their profits, they stand to gain $868,365 in a single year. Now compare that number to the one at the top that I told you about. That is almost 100% increase in funds. More than likely they will receive 60-75% of that projection. Do you have access to the books? You really have know idea what the overhead is? Employees, benefits, healthcare, light bills, Etc, Etc.. In the real world things are seldom what they seem. I for one don't fault any company or organization for turning a profit! View from my saddle Regards, Ringer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yul Lose Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 IMHO, it's none of our business what SASS does with the money. Why do people begrudge them making money on their investment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackey Cole Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 You forgot to mention insurance, taxes, social security, and unemployment insurance for all the employees. Plus if say 75% renew which will be looking on the positive side and of those 10% upgrade to life so they don't have to worry about increases in the future. Why don't all that can afford it upgrade and then you will not have to worry about it anymore, and then you got the life members who will upgrade to the next level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote Kincaid Posted August 31, 2015 Author Share Posted August 31, 2015 Do you have access to the books? You really have know idea what the overhead is? Employees, benefits, healthcare, light bills, Etc, Etc.. In the real world things are seldom what they seem. I for one don't fault any company or organization for turning a profit! View from my saddle Regards, Ringer All I did was show what they need and broke it down to what every member would need to give/pay. Apparently this has crossed the line with some people. So let's just let the cards fall where they may and turn a blind eye and hope everything works out for the best. In the long run clubs will drop affiliation and people will leave but that part is inevitable. We are all getting older and unless expenses are addressed SASS will have to keep raising the fees. I would hope that this rise in fees would only be temporary but if people accept this one then they will undoubtedly accept the next one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Church Key, SASS # 33713 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 The state and regional fees were being paid before the dues increase; a moot point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry T Harrison Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 IMHO, it's none of our business what SASS does with the money. Why do people begrudge them making money on their investment? I hope that they continue to make a reasonable profit for without a profit SASS will cease to exist,after all who wants to run a business that doesn't make a profit. They will figure it out and SASS will emerge a leaner stronger entity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry T Harrison Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 IMHO, it's none of our business what SASS does with the money. Why do people begrudge them making money on their investment? I hope that they continue to make a reasonable profit for without a profit SASS will cease to exist,after all who wants to run a business that doesn't make a profit. They will figure it out and SASS will emerge a leaner stronger entity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Coyote, you broke it down to what end?? To Echo Pettifogger, What's yer point?? Don't feed the Troll Coffinmaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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