Doc Flimshaw Sass# 73310 Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 The last lead smelter in the usa is going to close after 120 years http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2013/10/20/remaining-lead-smelter-usa-closing/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sabre Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Hoo boy.....this blows chunks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Hoo boy.....this blows chunks. Eloquently stated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 DAMN ................ Sorry Allie...... LG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sabre Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Just ordered a years supply for the 45 Colt. And now I don't feel like such a clown for having 2 tons of linotype holding down the storage locker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Milo Talon SASS #23163 Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 It just gets worse by the day! Off work now, time for a couple of drinks. Or three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolan Kraps, SASS # 24084 Life Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 I may have to take another look at casting. How can I cast my own shot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Dan Dawkins Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 I may have to take another look at casting. How can I cast my own shot? Trade lead for shot with Hal A Looyah or buy a littleton or Johnny Stewart shotmaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACKFOOT SASS #11947 Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Clamping down on them by the EPA results in sending the work across borders where more polution will be generated because of little or no regulation in other countries. There is one place that I know of where I can see a smelter in a foreign country from a US interstate highway. Their polution doesn't stay within their borders, it crosses to the USA. Blackfoot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FriscoCounty Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Amortized over the next 10 years it would increase the LME price of lead by about 1 - 1.5 cents per pound. Current LME is in the $0.95 to $0.99 range. Closing the plant means it costs less than 1 penny per pound of refined lead to ship the ore overseas and ship back lead ingots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder SASS #13056 Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 And remember, it is important to export as many jobs as we can... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustang Gregg Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Man, that sucks! And I reckon the EPA will have a party. I know for damn sure that I will not be selling off my xxxx# of scrap lead now. MG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FriscoCounty Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 On the other hand, this is what an industrialized country looks like in the absence of any kind of EPA: http://darkroom.baltimoresun.com/2013/10/super-smog-harbin-china/#1 IMHO, I don't want to see the air I have to breathe; but, if the US were to be fair, they would level the playing field and place an import duty on goods imported from polluting countries proportional to the cost of cleaning up their production and then use that revenue to subsidize the EPA related costs borne by similar American production plants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blastmaster Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Amortized over the next 10 years it would increase the LME price of lead by about 1 - 1.5 cents per pound. Current LME is in the $0.95 to $0.99 range. Closing the plant means it costs less than 1 penny per pound of refined lead to ship the ore overseas and ship back lead ingots. I would like/love to 'Amortize' your job/career/life, or your children's job or even grandchilidren's! career! Yep, wouldn't even be a blip on the radar screen,, let alone a cent or two,,, not even value of spit on the sidewalk. NEXT!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Foot Johnson Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 Before ASARCO's lead smelter shut down here in April of 2001, the welcome sign to our small town said, "Welcome to East Helena, home of one of five remaining lead smelters in the world". I worked there for 23 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spades Hanlin SASS#66204 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 The EPA can smelt this $#%^$ if it will fit in their smelting pots.. I remember back several yrs ago, when the heated debate about what was going to happen to gun rights and ammo cost/components before the first election of our current Pres. Some on here called many of us fear mongers and chiken little sky was falling types then too for buying up stock piles of ammo and components. I don't see them posting their remarks of apology about being WRONG now.. And now the EPA is being used as the way around the Congress to crush the second amendment! America wake up and smell the $%^& in the air before its too late... Spades H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FriscoCounty Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 I would like/love to 'Amortize' your job/career/life, or your children's job or even grandchilidren's! career! Yep, wouldn't even be a blip on the radar screen,, let alone a cent or two,,, not even value of spit on the sidewalk. NEXT!! I don't understand your comment. Or why it was pointed at me. All I was pointing out was that, while $100 million may seem like a large amount, the cost of cleaning up the smoke stack, based on the plants capacity, is really very small . There is NO real economic reason for Doe Run to shut down the plant based on the EPA requirement alone. There have to be other factors involved in the decision. Factors we may never know because they are a privately held company. Looking at the amortized cost of the retrofit, it only makes direct economic sense if the cost of transporting the ore overseas and shipping the ingots back is less than a penny a pound and their overseas plant(s) have excess capacity. If the cost is higher than that, then they made the decision for other reasons. Given there were other reasons, they were going to shut the plant down sooner or later. In fact, it had already shut down its Glover facility because of overcapacity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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