Hoosier Bandit Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 I have a chance to do some horsetradin' for a Baikal Bounty Hunter II coachgun in great shape. He is a local dealer and I trust him quite a bit. This will complete my last gun I need to have to get started in CAS. What are your thoughts/experiences with these for what I what to use it for. It will be for CAS 95%. Thanks Hoosier (but tryin'ta change my name to Nash Villain) Bandit. Any help on the name change here on this site would be much preciated too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red River Ray SASS#33254 Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 If ya give it to a good smith who knows Baikal SXS you'll have a great SASS shotgun that will last you forever, and one that you'll enjoy shooting. Outa tha box its a boat paddle and a dam poor one at that. RRR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Kiowa Jones #6765 Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 If it's the internal hammer version it's a really good entry level gun. If it's the exteranl hammer version, not the best choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACKFOOT SASS #11947 Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 They are stiff in the beginning but can be slicked up really well. And, they are as tough as a woodpecker's lip!! Blackfoot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tucker T Fudpucker Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 I've got one and love it, it's built like a tank. For the money I think that they are great. Go to marauder.homestead.com and read about tuning. Tucker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest diablo slim shootist Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Have a slicked up one -great sxs-not external hammers.Internal is the one you want Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Bandit Posted January 29, 2011 Author Share Posted January 29, 2011 This is the external hammer model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red River Ray SASS#33254 Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 This is the external hammer model. I'd pass on it then. RRR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder SASS #13056 Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Yup, what they said about the shotgun. If internal hammers, a great entry level gun once you tune up a bit. As to the alias. Give SASS Headquarters a phone call and request a change in your alias. I think it costs $10. They are great to work with. http://www.sassnet.com/Contact-Us-001A.php (877) 411-SASS (877) 411-7277 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Bandit Posted January 29, 2011 Author Share Posted January 29, 2011 I will probably pass on the SG then. I am looking at Stoegers too but my local guy doesnt directly deal in Stoegers. Not to say he cant get one. I was planning on tradin a flat top acoustic Alverez guitar brand new off rack plus some $$ for some gun stuff. My local guy said he would work with me on guns, reloading equipment etc. I dont have any reloading stuff yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Dave Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 If you are just looking to change your name on the forum send Black Harris a PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Woodrow Cahill, SASS # 54363 Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Howdy Hoosier - If it's a new external hammer Baikal then it's the real deal. The old one had what looked like hammers, but in reality were essentally cocking levers for the internal hammers. Ask your dealer friend if it's the new EAA/USSG MP220F. It will have real hammers and exposed firing pins on the back of the breech block. I don't know what Alvarez guitars are going for these days, but swapping an axe for a boomer sounds like a good deal to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Fill 'Em 67797 Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 I have the same gun, Baikal Bounty Hunter II with external hammers. Not a thing wrong with it. Well made, reliable. Cocking hammer outside manually cocks the hammer inside. So what? It works fine. If you like it, get it. It's not as slick as my Goatneck Clem SKB but it's still a good gun. It's not like it will be the only or last shotgun you will ever buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Bandit Posted January 29, 2011 Author Share Posted January 29, 2011 Thanks Grizzly Dave, will do! Well Im still thinkin' about it. Doc, around this house you gotta beat the little lady to the mail box and get it to the basement muy pronto!! Im normally faster than she is so she doesnt find a lot of my new toys...Now when the UPS driver cant get up/down the hill because of snow, he drops them off at the in(out)-laws next door. I need to have a talk with boy. Thanks for the help pards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Kiowa Jones #6765 Posted January 29, 2011 Share Posted January 29, 2011 Howdy Hoosier - If it's a new external hammer Baikal then it's the real deal. The old one had what looked like hammers, but in reality were essentally cocking levers for the internal hammers. Ask your dealer friend if it's the new EAA/USSG MP220F. It will have real hammers and exposed firing pins on the back of the breech block. I don't know what Alvarez guitars are going for these days, but swapping an axe for a boomer sounds like a good deal to me. Sorry, but I disagree. Even the late version is an Anson Deely style box lock converted to an external configuration. Even the side plates are fake. They cover up the hole they cut into the side of the reciever to attach the external hammers to what was originally the internal hammers (but now with the tops cut off) In order to get the new firing pins to line up with the add-on hammers and the primer they look like crank shafts. This gun is not a traditional exposed hammer SXS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusty Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Bandit and Nate, All this discussion got me to thinking about my Remington Spartan (a Biakal in Remington clothing). Sooooo, in below "0" temps I trudged to the garage through snow to check. I opened the action, pushed on the firing pin where the exposed hammer hits and the firing pin protruded. Are we talking about different guns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Junky Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 I've seen RRR whoop up on a lot of folks with one of the "entry level" guns.....I'm just saying.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Kiowa Jones #6765 Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Bandit and Nate, All this discussion got me to thinking about my Remington Spartan (a Biakal in Remington clothing). Sooooo, in below "0" temps I trudged to the garage through snow to check. I opened the action, pushed on the firing pin where the exposed hammer hits and the firing pin protruded. Are we talking about different guns? Of the external hammer Baikals, they made two versions. The first had what looked like hammers but were just cockers. They didn't actually hit a firing pin. They don't make that one anymore. The current version actually hits a firing pin. Neither one is a true external hammer gun. Both were converted using these external partadded on to their Anson/Deley style internal hammer gun. My perspective of what works and what doesn't is based on how well a design holds up over time. An absolute mechanical truth is the more parts you have in a design the sooner it will fail. Simple is always better. That's one of the reasons you see folks moving away fron the 97 pump guns or why the Rugers are more popular than the colt style action. Too many parts to fail over the long haul. You can have the fastest gun in the world but if it doesn't finish the race who cares. These Baikal hammer guns aren't simple designs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Kiowa Jones #6765 Posted January 30, 2011 Share Posted January 30, 2011 Did I say I really like the EAA Baikal internal hammer guns. I think for an entry level gun they are much better than the Stoegers. Plus, EAA/USSG is now importing them again. I have some coming next month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Bandit Posted January 30, 2011 Author Share Posted January 30, 2011 This sure is good info that Im looking for. Still on the fence as of what to do. Heck I may just keep lookin' fer a SG and buy anuther wheel gun. You cant have too many revlovers? Can you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt Dan Blodgett, SASS #75655 Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Bandit and Nate, All this discussion got me to thinking about my Remington Spartan (a Biakal in Remington clothing). Sooooo, in below "0" temps I trudged to the garage through snow to check. I opened the action, pushed on the firing pin where the exposed hammer hits and the firing pin protruded. Are we talking about different guns? Sure sounds like the real deal that actually strikes the firing pin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poppy Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 I just purchased one from Diamond Curley and can't wait to squeeze them triggers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C. Erroll Madre Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Sorry, but I disagree. Even the late version is an Anson Deely style box lock converted to an external configuration. Even the side plates are fake. They cover up the hole they cut into the side of the reciever to attach the external hammers to what was originally the internal hammers (but now with the tops cut off) In order to get the new firing pins to line up with the add-on hammers and the primer they look like crank shafts. This gun is not a traditional exposed hammer SXS. Bandit and Nate, All this discussion got me to thinking about my Remington Spartan (a Biakal in Remington clothing). Sooooo, in below "0" temps I trudged to the garage through snow to check. I opened the action, pushed on the firing pin where the exposed hammer hits and the firing pin protruded. Are we talking about different guns? I've gone one of the Remington Spartan SP-220F's as well. After looking at mine, I'm going to have to side with Nate on this one. If you look real carefully at it you can see that the hammers aren't really hammers to speak of. I think if it were a real external hammer shotgun, the hammers wouldn't be flat on one side and look rather like "add-ons". Compare an SPR-220F to a TTN 1878 and you'll see what I mean. Plus, the distance between the hammers on the Rem/Baikal are pretty far apart. Also, look closely at the firing pins. On the Rem/Baikal you can see that the firing pin actually comes out of the receiver, and looks to be rather oblong shaped. On the TTN, the firing pins protrude from directly behind the chamber and appear to be held in with a nut. That being said, I still wouldn't give up my SPR-220F. Other than take care of the annoying auto safety problem, I haven't done a thing to it. Right out of the box it shucks Federal hulls without any problem. Plus, it was affordable. If I had or wanted to get a second coach gun, I'd look at the TTN, or even the CZ Hammer Coach SxS. In the mean time, I'm real happy with my Remington, and would recommend one if someone asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barkeep Casey Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 I have shot an internal hammer for over a year, never the first problem. It has been a good solid gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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