Alpo Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 https://www.buffalorifles.org/blog/what-rifle-did-tom-horn-use/ This article says that John Browning and Oliver Winchester designed the 1873. It also says that that John Browning had a lot of input into the 1866. I've never heard anything about Browning and the 73 before. I believe the author of this article is confused. What y'all think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozark Huckleberry Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 (edited) NRA Museum - Refers to Browning's collaboration near the end of the article ETA: Only in context of the 1886. Maybe the author was thinking of the 1894, since IIRC that's what Tom Horn carried. Edited September 3 by Ozark Huckleberry 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 3 hours ago, Ozark Huckleberry said: NRA Museum - Refers to Browning's collaboration near the end of the article ETA: Only in context of the 1886. Maybe the author was thinking of the 1894, since IIRC that's what Tom Horn carried. The 1886 was the 92 on steroids! https://duckduckgo.com/?t=h_&q=1886+rifle&ia=web Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Pat Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 the 1886 came first the 92 is the little brother 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted September 3 Author Share Posted September 3 2 hours ago, Rye Miles #13621 said: The 1886 was the 92 on steroids! https://duckduckgo.com/?t=h_&q=1886+rifle&ia=web 2 hours ago, Irish Pat said: the 1886 came first the 92 is the little brother Oliver's laundry lady obviously washed an 86 in hot water and then dried it on high heat. And it shrunk. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michigan Slim Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 1 minute ago, Alpo said: Oliver's laundry lady obviously washed an 86 in hot water and then dried it on high heat. And it shrunk. Na, the pool was cold! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted September 3 Author Share Posted September 3 That's possible. I was thinking that only applied way up North (we don't have shrinkage in the south), but New Haven is in Connecticut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 1 hour ago, Alpo said: we don't have shrinkage in the south, Same in the Desert Southwest. The only thing that shrinks around here are my gun belts. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trailrider #896 Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 7 hours ago, Alpo said: https://www.buffalorifles.org/blog/what-rifle-did-tom-horn-use/ This article says that John Browning and Oliver Winchester designed the 1873. It also says that that John Browning had a lot of input into the 1866. I've never heard anything about Browning and the 73 before. I believe the author of this article is confused. What y'all think? IIRC Oliver Winchester was dead by the time the '73 came out. The '73 was basically a central fire upgrade of the '66, which was the King's Patent loading gate replacement for the Henry, which descended from the S&W breachloaders. John Moses Browning designed and manufactured the Browning Single Shot rifle, which became the Winchester HiWall, M1885. Browning next designed the Winchester M1886, which Winchester scaled down to the M1892. Browning designed every Winchester gun until he broke with the company over his demand for royalties for the repeating shotgun around 1923. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted September 3 Author Share Posted September 3 12 minutes ago, Trailrider #896 said: until he broke with the company over his demand for royalties for the repeating shotgun around 1923. I thought he broke off from Winchester when he came up with the Auto 5. Winchester had just brought out the 1897 pump, and did not want these release an automatic shotgun because that would probably cut into their profit. So Browning told them "screw you" and went to Belgium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 While the 1892 may resemble the 1886 externally, Internally they are an entirely different animal. Any one that has has reassembled an 1886 with only 2 hands has the patience of Job. Reassembling a 92 is child's play compared to an 1886s. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 To the best of my limited knowledge, the 1873 Winchester was a progression from the Henry. No Browning influence there. Same same for the 1876. the Henry begat the 1866, the 1866 then lead to the 1873 in search for a more powerful Toggle Link rifle, which was chambered for the 44 WCF which then lead to the 1876. ALL of which were improvements of the original Henry rifle. Browning was involved in the design of the 1886 and the 1892. Shortly after, Browning and Winchester had a less than amicable falling out. I was always of the impression, Tom Horn favored the 1876 not the 1873. I think the author of the reverenced article was more than just a little confused. Literary License if you will. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 52 minutes ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said: To the best of my limited knowledge, the 1873 Winchester was a progression from the Henry. No Browning influence there. Same same for the 1876. the Henry begat the 1866, the 1866 then lead to the 1873 in search for a more powerful Toggle Link rifle, which was chambered for the 44 WCF which then lead to the 1876. ALL of which were improvements of the original Henry rifle. Browning was involved in the design of the 1886 and the 1892. Shortly after, Browning and Winchester had a less than amicable falling out. I was always of the impression, Tom Horn favored the 1876 not the 1873. I think the author of the reverenced article was more than just a little confused. Literary License if you will. Most authors are a little confused! They never get the guns right either in books or articles! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elkhorn Ernie Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 8 hours ago, Alpo said: I thought he broke off from Winchester when he came up with the Auto 5. Winchester had just brought out the 1897 pump, and did not want these release an automatic shotgun because that would probably cut into their profit. So Browning told them "screw you" and went to Belgium. Browning designed the Auto 5 in 1898 and didn't want to sell the design to Winchester. He wanted royalties to have them produce it and Winchester told him no, so he took the design to Remington and the president of Remington suffered a fatal heart attack while he was waiting to show it to him. He then took the design to FN in Belgium and they started to product them in 1902. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elkhorn Ernie Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 9 hours ago, Trailrider #896 said: IIRC Oliver Winchester was dead by the time the '73 came out. The '73 was basically a central fire upgrade of the '66, which was the King's Patent loading gate replacement for the Henry, which descended from the S&W breachloaders. John Moses Browning designed and manufactured the Browning Single Shot rifle, which became the Winchester HiWall, M1885. Browning next designed the Winchester M1886, which Winchester scaled down to the M1892. Browning designed every Winchester gun until he broke with the company over his demand for royalties for the repeating shotgun around 1923. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elkhorn Ernie Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 Winchester wanted John Browning to design a smaller rifle to compete with the newer Marlins coming out. He told Winchester that he would have a working prototype in less than a month or it would be free. He presented the prototype for the model 1892 in two weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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