Cat Cummings SASS #1870L Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Who makes the best short stroke kit for the Cimarron 1873 rifle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lead Monger Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 PGW Super Short stroke kit with light weight carrier and lightened springs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G W Wade Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Have used both, but have to vote for Cowboy and Indian offering GW 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
July Smith Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 (edited) I have personally owned short stroked guns with cut and weld jobs, Cowboy and Indian 3rd and 4th gen kits, Pioneer GW both standard and super, and Shotgun Boogie. I personally prefer the feel of Shotgun Boogie's short stroke. If I had to rank them it would be as follows. 1st Shotgun Boogie 2nd CI 4th gen 3rd CI 3rd gen (I believe the links are the same as the 4th gen kit) 4th a quality cut and weld 5th PGW standard 6th PGW super short None of the kits are bad, that is just my personal preference. Edited February 27 by July Smith 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Maverick Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 52 minutes ago, July Smith said: I have personally owned short stroked guns with cut and weld jobs, Cowboy and Indian 3rd and 4th gen kits, Pioneer GW both standard and super, and Shotgun Boogie. I personally prefer the feel of Shotgun Boogie's short stroke. If I had to rank them it would be as follows. 1st Shotgun Boogie 2nd CI 4th gen 3rd CI 3rd gen (I believe the links are the same as the 4th gen kit) 4th a quality cut and weld 5th PGW standard 6th PGW super short None of the kits are bad, that is just my personal preference. Love both of my Shotgun Boogie tuned 73's. TM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 12 hours ago, Cat Cummings SASS #1870L said: Who makes the best short stroke kit for the Cimarron 1873 rifle? How old is your rifle? If it doesn’t have a “W” in front of the serial number, it’s an older model and the PGW SS kit won’t work. The Cowboys and Indians version will. I don’t know about the others. Be sure to ask the supplier before you buy. BTW, Cimarron, Taylors et al are importers for guns. Your rifle, as most in our game was made by Uberti in Italy. The Winchester brand rifles are made by Miroku in Japan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat Cummings SASS #1870L Posted February 27 Author Share Posted February 27 2 minutes ago, Abilene Slim SASS 81783 said: How old is your rifle? If it doesn’t have a “W” in front of the serial number, it’s an older model and the PGW SS kit won’t work. The Cowboys and Indians version will. I don’t know about the others. Be sure to ask the supplier before you buy. BTW, Cimarron, Taylors et al are importers for guns. Your rifle, as most in our game was made by Uberti in Italy. The Winchester brand rifles are made by Miroku in Japan. Serial number 907xx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 (edited) 2 hours ago, Cat Cummings SASS #1870L said: Serial number 907xx Similar to me - an older model. I put a 5th Gen. SS kit from Cowboys & Indians in mine - a 44-40 carbine. As said, the PGW kit wouldn't work.* I have a 3rd Gen in my .44-40 1860 Henry and of the two, I prefer the 3rd Gen. Both are really slick, but the 3rd. just seems to feel a whisker better to me. 5th Gen is great in smaller calibers like .38/.357, But I'd recommend a 3rd Gen for the big calibers. THAT IS JUST MY OPINION, nothing more. Try to handle a few for yourself before you make a decision. And be sure to tell the supplier about your gun beforehand. My comments are mostly geared toward those who want to install your own kit. If you send yours off to a reputable smith, you'll be good to go. *The folks at PGW were awesome and explained the issue to me and let me return the kit for a full refund. Good luck! Edited February 27 by Abilene Slim SASS 81783 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 The shorter the stroke, the more effort needed to cycle the action, thus the importance for a smooth action and lighter springs. And of course buzzer adrenalin helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace Hanlon Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 How do you adjust for headspace using Shotgun Boogie's short stroke kit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Ace - You don't. The only way to "adjust" the head space is to have custom links made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rance - SASS # 54090 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 In my younger years I posted some of my best times with Cowboy and Indian’s 3rd. Generation.. I thought I need to get faster.. I need the PGW Super Short Stroke.. It never performed ( by me) any better The CI 3rd. Gen was easier to operate and just as fast (for me) Just sayin’ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ace Hanlon Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 On 2/27/2024 at 8:00 PM, Colorado Coffinmaker said: Ace - You don't. The only way to "adjust" the head space is to have custom links made. Does Boogie offer different links like PGW? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Yes. Boogie has a plethora of parts: https://sbgwllc.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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