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1 hour ago, RMW said:

Got it covered , I installed 100’s of recoil pads and fit many a sc and skeet shooter . Don’t have a fixture to bend stocks 

anymore but I don’t think it will come to that 
Just haven’t done many in the last 20 years so I’m allot slower at it .

I can cut test , cut test 

When I talked to Lassiter today he said with my arm length he felt I would be pretty close 

 

You'll find that with the '87 you will want the LOP shorter than you think.

When you shoot the '87. 'Drive it like you stole it'.

Always ck the 2 carrier pivot screws before each match.

OLG 

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2 minutes ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said:

 

You'll find that with the '87 you will want the LOP shorter than you think.

When you shoot the '87. 'Drive it like you stole it'.

Always ck the 2 carrier pivot screws before each match.

OLG 

With hunting or any shooting game where you mount the gun I’ve always found I like a shotgun on the short side .

Trap or skeet where the gun is mounted lop has always been less of a issue .

I just haven’t  developed any technique yet so I figured I’d start with the shotgun I like the most , and I don’t have the 

desire to chop up a SKB or BSS . And this is something that is new and not beat 

Have you found CA shooters aim a shotgun more than point it ? I’m guessing there aren’t many moving targets 

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While waiting for it to arrive make  yourself 8 dummy rounds so you can practice loading while your're stuck at home.

 

If you don't have any send me a PM and I'll send you some.

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37 minutes ago, RMW said:

Have you found CA shooters aim a shotgun more than point it ? I’m guessing there aren’t many moving targets 

 

"CA shooters" :huh:. Why single them out?

Fast shooters in any gun game point when targets are rarely past  25 yds.

OLG 

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49 minutes ago, RMW said:

 

Have you found CA shooters aim a shotgun more than point it ? I’m guessing there aren’t many moving targets

 

At CAS distances you have to aim. Pattern your SG at 10 yards. Bet you are surprised how small the pattern is.

 

Unlike shooting a clay bird where all you have to do is hit it with a couple of pellets, it takes a good hit to knock down reactive shotgun targets.

 

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1 hour ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said:

 

"CA shooters" :huh:. Why single them out?

Fast shooters in any gun game point when targets are rarely past  25 yds.

OLG 

 

He meant Cowboy Action Shooters and not PRoK. 

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1 hour ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said:

 

"CA shooters" :huh:. Why single them out?

Fast shooters in any gun game point when targets are rarely past  25 yds.

OLG 

I guess I’m thinking since it’s a stationary target your aiming . Whenever I’ve shot ipsc/idpa my focus has been getting the front 

sight on the target . Whenever I’ve shot clays my focus has been on the target , I’ve never cared about the beads as long as the gun 

fit properly.

are you saying you point shoot everything? 

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1 hour ago, Sedalia Dave said:

While waiting for it to arrive make  yourself 8 dummy rounds so you can practice loading while your're stuck at home.

 

If you don't have any send me a PM and I'll send you some.

Thanks for the offer, I used to be slave labor reloading for my dads skeet league when I was a kid , I got it covered 

I never really pinned Lassiter down on a time frame , it would be sweet if I got it while we were still in lock down.

I still have a long way to go before I’d be ready to go to a shoot . But getting everything dialed in is half the fun .

do the guns run smooth enough that they don’t chew the dummy rounds up ? Or should I just make up a dozen .

dont have a belt yet either, more shopping 

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8 hours ago, RMW said:

Thanks for the offer, I used to be slave labor reloading for my dads skeet league when I was a kid , I got it covered 

I never really pinned Lassiter down on a time frame , it would be sweet if I got it while we were still in lock down.

I still have a long way to go before I’d be ready to go to a shoot . But getting everything dialed in is half the fun .

do the guns run smooth enough that they don’t chew the dummy rounds up ? Or should I just make up a dozen .

dont have a belt yet either, more shopping 

 

Once Lassiter is done the action will be very smooth and it will not damage dummy rounds.   If you have a dozen then you don't have to stop and pick them up as often.

 

If at all possible resize the heads with a collet type of sizer. like the MEC Supersizer

 

I have a shotgun belt I'll sell you if it will fit. Take a dress makers tape and take a measurement at your belly button and not your waist.

 

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10 hours ago, RMW said:

I guess I’m thinking since it’s a stationary target your aiming . Whenever I’ve shot ipsc/idpa my focus has been getting the front 

sight on the target . Whenever I’ve shot clays my focus has been on the target , I’ve never cared about the beads as long as the gun 

fit properly.

are you saying you point shoot everything? 

 

I do point shoot this game 95% of the time.

OLG 

 

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RMW,

Same here, not too worried about length of pull. Got a buddy that does all kinds of shotgun mods, stock shortening no problem. I spoke with Lassiter yesterday myself. Got 2 weeks to wait on mine to be finished yet dang it! (Kidding, It's worth the wait) He also mentioned that the 2 chrome ones are spoken for now as well. Looks like we started a run on em! 

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38 minutes ago, Doc X said:

RMW,

Same here, not too worried about length of pull. Got a buddy that does all kinds of shotgun mods, stock shortening no problem. I spoke with Lassiter yesterday myself. Got 2 weeks to wait on mine to be finished yet dang it! (Kidding, It's worth the wait) He also mentioned that the 2 chrome ones are spoken for now as well. Looks like we started a run on em! 

Well he is probably getting a lot of work done right now because you know he’s not going to any shoots . You always want your new gun as soon as you can get it. I’m not in a huge hurry I’m brand new to this and I’m just getting all my gear set up . Every thing I ever shot before has involved one gun , 4 I’m finding you have to become a little more involved.

Lassiter is very generous with his time and very open , when I told him I used to be a gunsmith he opened right up and told me what he does and why . He asked me what kind of revolvers I had , and told me what to look out for , and even volunteered how he short strokes them . Allot of gunsmiths I have known guard their methods and want you to think gunsmithing is voodoo magic , I was never that way and appreciate that he’s not .

BTW , he also told me that if you ever want to load the magazine again all you have to do is get a new carrier . I’m going to do this because I think I might hunt with it a little this fall . Be kinda neat to shoot a couple of pheasants/grouse with it .

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RMW,

I'd read a lot of good things about Lassiter, but talking to him was really great. We even shared some stories about his living by Wright-Patterson and the Air Force Museum and me being close to Grissom AFRB. I live close enough I'm planning to pick my '87 up at his shop when it's done, looking forward to meeting him in person. Speaking of which, I see you're in mid Michigan, I'm in Northern Indiana. Maybe once this corona stuff is licked we can hook up at a shoot!

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Spend $1,400 bucks on an awkward two shot shotgun and then have to send it to “ the guy”  to make it usable! There are so many nice double barrels out there with a shorter learning curve.  

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I don’t think the Italian Model 1887’s cost $1400 new.  
 

While you could send the shotgun to a CAS specialist gunsmith to perform minor modification to allow the shooter to rapidly stuff two shells into the gun......

(one gets retained in the lower area of the receiver and the bolt chambers the second shell).

That 2-shell-load-shoot action is repeated as needed.

 

***** BUT———you don’t need the modification to “load 2” rounds.  With a little practice, you can load 2 rounds without the modification, just as fast!

 

UNDERSTAND that fully loaded, the Model 1887 shotgun capacity is 7 rounds:

— 5 shells in the magazine (magazine capacity is 5 rounds),

— 1 shell is retained in the receiver, below the bolt,

— 1 shell is.in the chamber (ready to fire)


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3 hours ago, Lead Monger said:

Spend $1,400 bucks on an awkward two shot shotgun and then have to send it to “ the guy”  to make it usable! There are so many nice double barrels out there with a shorter learning curve.  

Well you know what they say opinions are like , and everyone’s got one . 

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11 hours ago, Lead Monger said:

Spend $1,400 bucks on an awkward two shot shotgun and then have to send it to “ the guy”  to make it usable! There are so many nice double barrels out there with a shorter learning curve.  

 

Beside the fun factor, I shoot smoother and faster with my 87 than I did with my double. Never really got the hang of rolling shells into the chamber. AND it is so much more fun when it is stoked.

 

Have you priced a BSS or SKB lately?

 

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15 hours ago, RMW said:

Well he is probably getting a lot of work done right now because you know he’s not going to any shoots . You always want your new gun as soon as you can get it. I’m not in a huge hurry I’m brand new to this and I’m just getting all my gear set up . Every thing I ever shot before has involved one gun , 4 I’m finding you have to become a little more involved.

Lassiter is very generous with his time and very open , when I told him I used to be a gunsmith he opened right up and told me what he does and why . He asked me what kind of revolvers I had , and told me what to look out for , and even volunteered how he short strokes them . Allot of gunsmiths I have known guard their methods and want you to think gunsmithing is voodoo magic , I was never that way and appreciate that he’s not .

BTW , he also told me that if you ever want to load the magazine again all you have to do is get a new carrier . I’m going to do this because I think I might hunt with it a little this fall . Be kinda neat to shoot a couple of pheasants/grouse with it .

Congrats on your '87, they're cool guns.  I'm going to get one at some point to round out my Classic Cowboy setup.  


With respect to short stroking pistols I definitely recommend you try pistols with and without shortstrokes before you go that route.  Unless you're planning on shooting gunfighter or duelist I don't think shortstroking pistols is worth it.  Shortstroking a rifle makes a positive difference.  The drop two mod will definitely help you shoot the shotgun faster.  For most shooters, a pair of Rugers with a Wolff spring kit is all you need, anything beyond that is just icing on the cake. You can take the money you saved and buy better leather and a better hat.

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15 minutes ago, Captain Bill Burt said:

Congrats on your '87, they're cool guns.  I'm going to get one at some point to round out my Classic Cowboy setup.  


With respect to short stroking pistols I definitely recommend you try pistols with and without shortstrokes before you go that route.  Unless you're planning on shooting gunfighter or duelist I don't think shortstroking pistols is worth it.  Shortstroking a rifle makes a positive difference.  The drop two mod will definitely help you shoot the shotgun faster.  For most shooters, a pair of Rugers with a Wolff spring kit is all you need, anything beyond that is just icing on the cake. You can take the money you saved and buy better leather and a better hat.

I already bought a pair of Pietta’s . Cimarron eliminator eights . The main reason I bought them is because of larger grip frame, I’ve always preferred that grip to any other single action. The only other gun I found with the larger grip frame was the taylors Uberti but I don’t care for the fp safety. It probably works perfectly fine but like the series 80 1911 I just see it as a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist . Especially for CAS where you can only load 5 , the eliminator is short stroked from the factory, I honestly don’t know why I would dislike it but if I do I can just buy some standard hammers and fit those . 
The first thing I think I may do is install some standard hammer springs in them , I was honestly shocked how light they are sprung . I’m hoping with the shorter hammer travel and heavy spring it may reduce the lock time enough to make follow through less critical.

But I’m probably just splitting hairs , I’m just kind of a tinkerer by nature. 
I may eventually get a pair of Rugers if I really get into CAS but I would definitely have to do something about the grips I’ve always hated wrapping my pinkie finger around the bottom of the grip, but I know people who like that , it’s just a personal thing 

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10 minutes ago, RMW said:

I already bought a pair of Pietta’s . Cimarron eliminator eights . The main reason I bought them is because of larger grip frame, I’ve always preferred that grip to any other single action. The only other gun I found with the larger grip frame was the taylors Uberti but I don’t care for the fp safety. It probably works perfectly fine but like the series 80 1911 I just see it as a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist . Especially for CAS where you can only load 5 , the eliminator is short stroked from the factory, I honestly don’t know why I would dislike it but if I do I can just buy some standard hammers and fit those . 
The first thing I think I may do is install some standard hammer springs in them , I was honestly shocked how light they are sprung . I’m hoping with the shorter hammer travel and heavy spring it may reduce the lock time enough to make follow through less critical.

But I’m probably just splitting hairs , I’m just kind of a tinkerer by nature. 
I may eventually get a pair of Rugers if I really get into CAS but I would definitely have to do something about the grips I’ve always hated wrapping my pinkie finger around the bottom of the grip, but I know people who like that , it’s just a personal thing 

I doubt you will dislike it. There's nothing wrong with shortstrokes in pistols, I just don't think they provide a benefit to a two handed shooter. Welcome to SASS!

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There's been plenty of FTF issues with that FP safety on this forum.

I have saw 2 last month with the issue.

Buyer beware.....

OLG 

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14 minutes ago, Captain Bill Burt said:

I doubt you will dislike it. There's nothing wrong with shortstrokes in pistols, I just don't think they provide a benefit to a two handed shooter. Welcome to SASS!

You had mentioned leather , Is there a maker you prefer ? From what I’ve seen  I was thinking I may want a set up where they have the feature to lock them in place . Just so there always in the same place 

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22 minutes ago, RMW said:

You had mentioned leather , Is there a maker you prefer ? From what I’ve seen  I was thinking I may want a set up where they have the feature to lock them in place . Just so there always in the same place 

JM Leather http://jm-leather.com/ and Rod Kibler http://www.rodkiblersaddlery.com/ are the only two I do business with.  Both do great work and stand behind it.  There are plenty of other good sources but I know both of these guys personally and like doing business with them. 

 

With respect to locking down your holsters, it's a good idea.  Although I look my guns into the holster I don't look at them when I'm drawing.  Having the always in the same position on your body definitely helps with that.   You may want to consider having one holster tacked down and the other loose.  You will occasionally get stages where you need to sit or do something where being able to move your holsters without having to take them off is advantageous.  Both Rod and Johnny can do that. 

 

Since you're in Michigan you may choose to go with Doc Noper.  I have a spare shotgun belt by him and it's very nice. 

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I've seen quite a bit of Doc Knoper's work at the Pass and it all looks very good. I just got a new rig and shotgun belt from Colt Faro. Got to use them in one match before the lock down and they are fantastic. He too stands behind his work 100%.

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Call Nick at Knights Leather. He's in SAN.

He does custom work and is a 5th generation leatherman. 

Fast turn around time too.

OLG 

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On 3/26/2020 at 5:34 PM, Sedalia Dave said:

The extractors on 1887 shotguns are not the strongest in the world. So properly sized shells are a must. I use a MEC Supersizer and resize the brass on all my shotgun ammo including factory shells.

 

My Norinco which is 12yrs old now, with heavy usage, just started having extraction problems the last few matches.  I'm hoping it was just this one box of ammo, cause other boxes of the same brand worked flawlessly.

 

So are you saying you resize loaded ammo?

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I have an 87. It’s fun to play with. It looks cool especially with black powder but it is awkward to operate and stuffing the magazine is not normally done. Charging the magazine is a chore unto itself. 
My opinion is different than yours so you get snarky??  

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4 minutes ago, Lead Monger said:

I have an 87. It’s fun to play with. It looks cool especially with black powder but it is awkward to operate and stuffing the magazine is not normally done. Charging the magazine is a chore unto itself. 
My opinion is different than yours so you get snarky??  

Don’t feel I was being any more snarky than yourself, didn’t mean to hurt your feelings 

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5 hours ago, Sedalia Dave said:

 

Beside the fun factor, I shoot smoother and faster with my 87 than I did with my double. Never really got the hang of rolling shells into the chamber. AND it is so much more fun when it is stoked.

 

Have you priced a BSS or SKB lately?

 

I know a few bird hunters that don’t like CA shooters for what’s happened to the prices on BSS’s , they are pretty popular with grouse hunters 

I can also remember when a Win 97 was just a cheap old gun that no one wanted. 

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1 hour ago, Cemetery said:

 

My Norinco which is 12yrs old now, with heavy usage, just started having extraction problems the last few matches.  I'm hoping it was just this one box of ammo, cause other boxes of the same brand worked flawlessly.

 

So are you saying you resize loaded ammo?

 

Yes, since I started resizing all of the ammo I shoot in my 87 (including factory) with a MEC Supersizer I haven't had any extraction issues.

 

BTW The issues I had could all be traced to a couple of cases of factory Federal Top Gun ammo that had out of round heads.  Since then I resize everything to ensure a more harmonious outcome..

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1 hour ago, Cemetery said:

 

My Norinco which is 12yrs old now, with heavy usage, just started having extraction problems the last few matches.  I'm hoping it was just this one box of ammo, cause other boxes of the same brand worked flawlessly.

 

So are you saying you resize loaded ammo?

 

When did you last do a deep cleaning of the bolt,  action etc?

Just what is the extraction issue?

OLG 

 

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2 hours ago, Sedalia Dave said:

 

Yes, since I started resizing all of the ammo I shoot in my 87 (including factory) with a MEC Supersizer I haven't had any extraction issues.

 

BTW The issues I had could all be traced to a couple of cases of factory Federal Top Gun ammo that had out of round heads.  Since then I resize everything to ensure a more harmonious outcome..

Are you trying to just trying to get it to spec ? Or are you setting up the mec to give it a little extra squeeze 

I remember when I got my size master years ago you had to initially adjust the collet sizer and if I remember right you could give it a pretty good squeeze 

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