evil dogooder Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 Was thinking about switching out my rifle Cal side match rifle. Currently i shoot a 1902 94 in 30/30. Anybody have any advice on a 86 in .33 The lgs had an original that's been re-blued, has a chipped stock, and a bunch of butchered screws. It had a stronag bore so would be a good shooter . Are they decent? I realize ammo is going to be a little hard to find. I'm ok with that. I like being the odd one. That's why i shoot a 50-70 instead of the more popular 45-70 in my Sharps replica Thanks for the info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Jack, SASS #77862 Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 Not real familiar with 33 WCF, it's been out of commercial production a long time though. Got a source for brass? It may be able to be formed from something more common.....338 bullets are common, not sure about lead bullets. You cast? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil dogooder Posted June 7, 2014 Author Share Posted June 7, 2014 No i don't cast but i found 128 once fired brass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil dogooder Posted June 7, 2014 Author Share Posted June 7, 2014 No i don't cast but i found 128 once fired brass. It may not be practical . I just thought it would be cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 I had an 1886 in .33. The .33WCF was the first smokeless chambering in the 1886. It evolved into the .348 and the Model 71. Ammo is very hard to find. Sometimes you can find a limited run of new brass, but it is becoming increasingly hard to find. It will shoot lead bullets just fine if you get the right combination of components. Here is batch of brass that Midway had for a while. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/541144/quality-cartridge-reloading-brass-33-wcf-box-of-20 Unless you are a dedicated hand loader and don't mind learning how to form cases, you should probably consider passing on this one and buying something for which cases are readily available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Canyon Kid #43974 Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Love that photo. Looks like it was taken on 4th of July in Minn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil dogooder Posted June 7, 2014 Author Share Posted June 7, 2014 Love that photo. Looks like it was taken on 4th of July in Minn. Nope its too cold in July for that hat. The photo was taken in the warm season, ya know that one week in August. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil dogooder Posted June 7, 2014 Author Share Posted June 7, 2014 I had an 1886 in .33. The .33WCF was the first smokeless chambering in the 1886. It evolved into the .348 and the Model 71. Ammo is very hard to find. Sometimes you can find a limited run of new brass, but it is becoming increasingly hard to find. It will shoot lead bullets just fine if you get the right combination of components. Here is batch of brass that Midway had for a while. http://www.midwayusa.com/product/541144/quality-cartridge-reloading-brass-33-wcf-box-of-20 Unless you are a dedicated hand loader and don't mind learning how to form cases, you should probably consider passing on this one and buying something for which cases are readily available. Thanks for the info I'll probably pass unless the price drops to a crazy low deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Jack, SASS #77862 Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 how much is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil dogooder Posted June 7, 2014 Author Share Posted June 7, 2014 When i was talking to the owner he hadn't quite set his price yet. He was thinking around $650 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Brasse, SASS #3562 Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 The good news is dies are available from LEE.for about $30. http://www.brownells.com/reloading/reloading-dies/rifle-dies/lee-pacesetter-2-die-set-33-wcf-sku100053102-54166-115502.aspx Headspace gauge are the same as 45-70 Govt. http://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/measuring-tools/headspace-gauges/clymer-headspace-gauges-no-go-prod40876.aspx Lots of info on 33 wcf if you Google. Case-forming, loading etc. As stated above, it falls into the odd, make you work for it, reloading caliber list, but not as bad as some. At least it sounds like you have a life-time ? supply of brass, depending on how much you would shoot it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Dan Dawkins Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Would be an interesting gun. I looked around to confirm my thoughts, 33 WCF is necked down 45-70. You can get forming dies from Redding and RCBS: http://www.redding-reloading.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=39:popular-case-forming-dies More info http://www.chuckhawks.com/33_WCF.htm Lots on the net. There were some Marlin 1895's made in this caliber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 When i was talking to the owner he hadn't quite set his price yet. He was thinking around $650 If you don't want it, please PM me his contact info. I'll take it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Henry 7046 Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Below is a rule quote for long range rifle calibers: • “Rifle Caliber” competition rifles must use traditional, period, rimmed cartridges. No cartridge chambered for use in any SASS approved main match revolver or rifle may be used in the “Rifle Caliber” competition, except the .56-50. Thus, .30-30 (.30 WCF), .38-55 Marlin & Ballard, .43 Spanish, or .45-70 Government cartridges are legal, while a .375 Winchester, .444 Marlin, .32-20, or .44-40 are not legal.” According to Barns the 33 Winchester came out in 1902. I am not sure it complies with the rules. Better check and get the OK before you buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninety Caliber Al, 50218 Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 An '86 in ANY caliber would be a heck of a deal. Whether or not its legal or SASS side matches. I'd like the guys info if you decide against it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Dan Dawkins Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 An '86 in ANY caliber would be a heck of a deal. Whether or not its legal or SASS side matches. I'd like the guys info if you decide against it. Those are true words. I myself have always wanted one but the model 71 has always called my name. Back to the '86, look at all of the caliber options: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Model_1886 There is not a bad caliber in the whole bunch. The 50-110 is in a class by itself. Oh, I'd want one. Don't know that I'd want to shoot one a bunch. Probably not alot of fun and expensive to feed. All other rounds on paper look great for doing anything you could ask of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Bullweed Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Any 1886 in shootable condition for $650 is an outstanding deal. I normally see prices in the $1800-2000 for beater guns in 20% condition, going to $3500 very quickly. You could always drop in a .45-70 or .40-60 barrel for shooting and keep the original barrel in case you wanted to sell the gun at a later date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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