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Shotguns based on rifles


H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619

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.22 rifle.  Pistol caliber rifle.  Rifle caliber rifle.

 

Shotgun?

 

Is there any such thing where you can get all 4 types of long guns belonging to the same "family?"

Amazingly, the answer is yes.   You can get all of the above based on the Remington Rolling Block.

I have seen pictures of all four things based on the lever action Martini rifle.

But, those are all single shot guns.  What about repeaters?  The closest you could come would be the Colt Small, Medium and Large frame rifles, with any pump action shotgun, but that's a stretch.  Same answer would go for a Winchester 73 .22 and CF cartridge, a 76 and an 87 shotgun.  Closer than the Lighting, but still not the same.  

I guess you could say it can be done with the Winchester 94, there are .410 versions of it, if you will allow for the 9422 to count.

 

All in all, I don't know that there is any practical reason to want to do this, other that, "isn't this a cool part of the collection!" type stuff, but it is interesting to ponder.

Can anyone else think of a "combination" that, while it  may not be exact, sorta comes close?  I think it's just an interesting notion.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said:

I guess you could say it can be done with the Winchester 94, there are .410 versions of it, if you will allow for the 9422 to count

Why wouldn't you??

 

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1 hour ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said:

Why wouldn't you??

 

Phantom

 

Well it's not "really" a .22 version of the 94.  More similar to the 92 in many ways.  That being said, I have no problem with it.  :)  Thinking about it, you could also "group" it with a 92, an 86 and, uhm....  Hmm...   Generically, an 87?

It seems to me that, beyond the single shots, or the .410, the only way you could get a 20 or 12 gauge "rifle based" repeating shotgun, would be to make a massively upscaled version.   I don't think you could make, say, a 20 gauge 86 just be swapping barrels.  I doubt the frame is big enough.

Maybe the take down version?  

Thinking about it, the shotgun will likely have to be what's the most similar, not the same.

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The strangest rifle made into a shotgun was a Mauser 98 coverted to 12 gauge.  It was owned by a strange little man I worked with. He was prone to get stuff wrong. But he brought it in one day.  Sure enough it had been converted to 12 gauge. The magazine held one shell as I remember.  I don't know if they rebarreled it or forged the original barrel out. It had no locking lugs up front.  There was an adapter plate for a bolt face. The bolt handle locked it up.

 

 

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47 minutes ago, Warden Callaway said:

The strangest rifle made into a shotgun was a Mauser 98 coverted to 12 gauge.  It was owned by a strange little man I worked with. He was prone to get stuff wrong. But he brought it in one day.  Sure enough it had been converted to 12 gauge. The magazine held one shell as I remember.  I don't know if they rebarreled it or forged the original barrel out. It had no locking lugs up front.  There was an adapter plate for a bolt face. The bolt handle locked it up.

 

 

 

Now that is interesting!   I'd even say it's SASS Legal.  It's a pre-1900 design, limited to 2 rounds, and it does have what can be interpreted as an exposed "hammer."   :)

All kidding aside, that is kinda cool.  Just goes to show you that with enough patience, almost anything can be converted to something else.

 

AND, yeah, with that thing, a regular Mauser, and a .22 Bolt action, you're almost there with a complete battery.  I wonder if there are any bolt action pistol caliber rifles.

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"Rifles" have been offered in smooth bores in the old days.  Winchester made some 92s in 44WCF smooth bore. 

 

https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/86/15/winchester-model-1892-.44-wcf-smooth-bore-src

 

I remember reading a bunch (400) Winchester 92 44WCF smooth bores were sent to England during WW1 or WW11 and used for varmint control in ships and warehouses.  

 

I have seen Remington 121 smooth bore 22 at a gun show. He wanted a bunch for it. 

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25 minutes ago, tacobill said:

Winchester made the model 12 and then the scaled down version model 42 in .410 and then made the scaled down even more model 61 in 22 and 22mag.

Well...I believe the 61 pre-dated the 42.

 

And the actions are completely different.

 

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The Winchester 1885 was chambered in a vast variety of cartridges. I would not be surprised if they were made chambered in a shotgun configuration. 
Savage used to make an over/under in different combinations. I used to have one in .223 Remington/20 gauge. 

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There were also Civil War era Spencer carbines that were converted to shotguns. Probably doesn't meat all your criteria, but they are neat little guns you find up for auction every once in awhile.

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my martini action started life as a 455.570 british military rifle action in 1888 , somewhere after the turn of the century it was converted to a 22cal by c g  bonehill for the society of miniature rifles clubs , then in what im going to call the heyday of custom trap got converted again to a 12ga trap shotgun with very nice fiddleback maple furniture and a remington barrel , its quite elegant looking but i kinda wish id found it in its miniature rifle configuration , 

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19 hours ago, Cholla said:

The Winchester 1885 was chambered in a vast variety of cartridges. I would not be surprised if they were made chambered in a shotgun configuration. 
Savage used to make an over/under in different combinations. I used to have one in .223 Remington/20 gauge. 

Winchester Shotguns by RL Wilson shows a Model 1885 High Wall takedown in 16 gauge

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