Hurricane Deck 100366 Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 I seem to be seeing quite a number of them for sale in the classifieds both on the wire and on other forums. So whats the deal? Why is everyone selling them off if they're supposed to be the 'latest and greatest' model 97? I'm sure interested in putting one in the gun cart, but I'd like to know why so many fine folks are selling the "new" 97's off so quickly. Anyone care to share their story? If you don't want to do it publicly, please PM me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 HD, I have 3 of the new CB97's. None are for sale. The ONLY ones I'm familiar with that are being sold are from dealers. I've only been using 2 of mine and the 3rd is still wrapped up. Of the 2 I been using, they are running good. ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 The demo model CB-97 I bought from Outlaw Gambler runs better, than ANY other '97 I have ever used-PERIOD It will NEVER be for sale-- OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ T. Sites Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Never had any problem with mine, doesn't throw the shells 10ft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine City Kid Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 I picked up two of them from Cap, both run great. No major issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ventura Slim, SASS #35690 Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 I have not bought a new one, have an early red army one and a handful of winchester 97s. Replacement parts for old win 97s is getting scarce. All our cowboy guns get used a lot more in comps than was imagined when they were engineered, so they wear out, and you cannot always finds replacement parts at Numrich etc. Getting a new mfg makes sense. Wish they were not metric so all the parts were interchangeable. Maybe with the severe recession they will come to their senses on that. Anyway, I want one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shorty Jack Hammer Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 I ordered a different unrelated gun that was shipped to my FFL guy I always deal with for transfers. By chance we were talking cowboy guns and he had an IAC 97 coming in and he sold it to me although it hasn't arrived yet. It was a really really really good price so I couldn't pass it up. He called it an IAC Hawk 97 and it is definitely the same as the IAC 97's Ive seen on here and elsewhere, but its not called a CB97. As far as i can tell IAC only sells one so I'm assuming it's the same. I'm hoping I won't regret it but it was $160.00 cheaper than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ T. Sites Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 I ordered a different unrelated gun that was shipped to my FFL guy I always deal with for transfers. By chance we were talking cowboy guns and he had an IAC 97 coming in and he sold it to me although it hasn't arrived yet. It was a really really really good price so I couldn't pass it up. He called it an IAC Hawk 97 and it is definitely the same as the IAC 97's Ive seen on here and elsewhere, but its not called a CB97. As far as i can tell IAC only sells one so I'm assuming it's the same. I'm hoping I won't regret it but it was $160.00 cheaper than others. Are you talking about the black pump with out the exposed hammer? They are a copy of the 870 iac calls them the hawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outlaw Gambler Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 +1 on what Russ T. Stiles said. The "Hawk" model is the Chinese clone of the Remington 870 and is not SASS legal. They are made with polymer black stocks. They come in 5 different models. It is not the same as the IAC 97's or the CB97's and if your dealer told you they were, he was mistaken. The msrp on the Hawk model 982 is $285.00 as listed on the IAC web site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Lynchem Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 I have two of the IAC model 97s. One made in 2005 and a brand new one from coyote cap. I love them both! For what we use them for and as hard as we use them, for the money you cant beat em! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Are you talking about the black pump with out the exposed hammer? They are a copy of the 870 iac calls them the hawk The IAC Hawk is a '97 clone. NOT a copy of the 870. He's GTG. OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 The IAC Hawk is a '97 clone. NOT a copy of the 870. He's GTG. OLG Not according to their WEBSITE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Not according to their WEBSITE I'm refer'n to item # 6 at the bottom of the page, the '97 cowboy...... Some sites refer to it as the 'Hawk 97' and some don't. Kinda confusing, to say the least. Respectfully, OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMD Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Not according to their WEBSITE PWB: your link points to the model 982; This one http://www.iacshotguns.com/97w.html points to the '97. RHR (post #7): this gun has a variety of names, mostly from a marketing point-of-view. At the link above, the importer doesn't call it a Hawk, but at least two internet retailers call it the Hawk97 just like your dealer told you. I bought one online for roughly the same deal that you got. The same gun, when referred to as a CB97, usually comes from Coyote Cap or one of his group of retailers. None of them have the word Hawk or the term CB97 on the sleeve of the box or on the gun. All of them have M97 on the barrel and a serial number starting with CB.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 PWB: your link points to the model 982; This one http://www.iacshotguns.com/97w.html points to the '97. If you go to the bottom of the linked page in my post...as OLG notes, the 1897 COWBOY Model is on the same page, with a link to your reference. There is no verbiage referring to the COWBOY Model as a "HAWK" other than the header on the link I provided...the hammerless models are all ref'd to as "HAWKS". IMO...that "misreading" of the mfg webpage is the source of the dealer's misinformation in referring to the hammered '97 COWBOYs as HAWKS. RHR (post #7): this gun has a variety of names, mostly from a marketing point-of-view. At the link above, the importer doesn't call it a Hawk, but at least two internet retailers call it the Hawk97 just like your dealer told you. I bought one online for roughly the same deal that you got. The same gun, when referred to as a CB97, usually comes from Coyote Cap or one of his group of retailers. None of them have the word Hawk or the term CB97 on the sleeve of the box or on the gun. All of them have M97 on the barrel and a serial number starting with CB.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waimea Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 I seem to be seeing quite a number of them for sale in the classifieds both on the wire and on other forums. So whats the deal? Why is everyone selling them off if they're supposed to be the 'latest and greatest' model 97? I'm sure interested in putting one in the gun cart, but I'd like to know why so many fine folks are selling the "new" 97's off so quickly. Anyone care to share their story? If you don't want to do it publicly, please PM me. Howdy HD I have one of the first off the line CB0015. I can run it faster than the any of the 3 Winchesters that I own. I have never yet had a port bobble, for which I was getting famous, with the CB97. Not selling mine anytime soon, although I have thought of thinning the Winnie herd. Having you seen these on the Wire Classifieds? I wonder if they have been through the Coyote or Outlaw Gambler work up. Waimea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shorty Jack Hammer Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 This is not where it was ordered from, but it was an example I googled that I can point out what I mean by the name, but its definitely the 97. I'm not sure where my dealer got it from, but he said it is definitely this gun and showed me this same pic. He ordered it for himself because he is interested in starting CAS (because of me ordering so many cowboy guns through him haha), but when we got to talking about it he offered it to me when it comes in. http://www.ohioguns.us/product.iac-hawk97-hammered-pump-action-shotgun-12-gauge-20-barrel-5-rounds-275-chamber-fixed-cylinder-walnut-stock-blued-97 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outlaw Gambler Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 A suggestion when buying from one of these sites, ask for the complete serial number of the gun you are looking to purchase. If it does not have the first two digets stamped CBxxxxxx it is not a new IAC Cowboy 97. Hurricane, the reason you are seeing so many for sale on the different locations is due to IAC releasing a second run of the guns to any distributor or dealer that wants to buy them. They appear on Gunbroker, GunsAmerica, and a few other sites. I don't think it is the cowboys or girls that are selling them, unless they got a bad one. If you find my post about latest update on the CB97's you will see what was needed to be checked and updated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shorty Jack Hammer Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 My IAC "Hawk 97" came in a little over a week ago but I wasnt able to make the time to pick it up until today. It is definitely a Cowboy 97 and the serial number starts with a CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idaho Coyote' Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 I have CB-00104 Runs great..... Doesn't throw the hulls 10 feet but it runs solid and smooth, I'm keeping mine. It has Coyote Cap 3434 engraved in gold on the bolt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Viper, SASS #75964 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 I purchased two CB97 shotguns from Outlaw Gambler in Spring and Summer 2015, one with serial number in the 30's and one in the 300's, both of them with Coyote Cap etched on bolt. They both have shortened stocks -- one stock I provided from a previous shot gun and one Outlaw Gambler shaped and installed to my specs, both of them with recoil pads. Both of them are set up for Wild Bunch and both hold 6 and feed 6 without issues. When I work them smoothly, these CB97s work smoothly, feed and eject without issues. When I am sloppy, they don't appreciate it and let me know...just like any other cowboy gun I've had. I've had the good luck to win several speed shotgun side matches with them, including State and Regional, and I use them regularly for Wild Bunch matches, local matches and Big Matches. I've never had any of the issues reported on the Sass Wire, but I'm confident that if I did, Outlaw Gambler would either advise me on it, or make good on the products he sells. The two CB97s that I own are essentially interchangeable as I cannot detect any differences at this time with one over the other and I work them hard. They are such a vast improvement over previous 1897 originals or replicas that I've owned and had "slicked up." I would never assume that anything "out of the box" would be adequate for our type of shooting. I only hope that other cowboy shooters have the same experience that I have and enjoy these fire arms as much as I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote Kincaid Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Mine is #23 and I've had problems, FTE and double feed with anything in the mag. Cap told me it would be an easy fix so I sent it to him. Now this was before his hospital stay but I'm sure he will get it fixed when he gets better. Now on a side note, I didn't notice Cap's name on the bolt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Southpaw Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Ive had the 5th round lock the gun up after it has been fired several times. Going to test it in a few days with 50 rounds then this coming up weekend Im going to run it with cowboy/wild bunch and see how it holds up. mine is SN CB005XX. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Southpaw Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Ran 50 rounds through mine, I will be sending it in for warranty work. Locked up once and had several hang-ups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outlaw Gambler Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Ask them to provide a list of items they "repair" to make the corrections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Southpaw Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Ask them to provide a list of items they "repair" to make the corrections. will do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 will do. I'll bet you, that 'they' just send you a new SG is all. OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Southpaw Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 I'll bet you, that 'they' just send you a new SG is all. OLG LOL im still waiting for an email response, but gun smiths are standing by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Southpaw Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Ok for warranty work on just the IAC97 call 1-800-243-3006 ext 119. PISCO no longer does the warranty work on these(due to a lot of them coming back) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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