New York's new gun law might have a problem

[Palo Verde, SASS # 56522]

Just FYI, interesting news story

Some of these new gun laws might be more onerous than even we suspect

 

http://video.foxnews.com/v/2293945945001/new-york-tells-legal-gun-owner-to-hand-over-weapons/?intcmp=obnetwork

[Rooster Ron Wayne]

I think this is just the beggining of what is to come .

[Guest Chuckaroo]

I would be going after everyone involved. Government is totally out of control.

[Chuckaroo #13080 Regulator]

I would be going after everyone involved. Government is totally out of control.

[Buck D. Law, SASS #62183]

Perhaps he'll end up owning New York. IMO, this would be the perfect place for the NRA to step in and insure that this case is properly funded and, if necessary, appealed until the case rises above the courts of the state. Hit them in the pocketbook!

[Guest Texas Jack Black]

This is good ,He gets his guns back ,he sues makes a million and now can move to NH .I wish him well.We also start chipping away at the foolishness of the NY gun laws.

[Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L]

I think this is just the beggining of what is to come .

 

Yup

 

GG ~

[Slowhand Bob, 24229]

This will actually be less a bump in the road than were the atrocity's performed in New Orleans. We are outnumbered and just short of being totally routed. Notice the the history of what has happened here since December, we have gone from total immersion to almost no conversation in this short period. I have felt that we who believe in a strict second amendment were in serious trouble all along but even so would have never thought that as many as sixteen Republicans in the senate would have shielded the democrats by voting to allow talks to go forward. They are strangely doing the same thing they done on Obama care, they are setting themselves up for a defeat that might have been avoided. Several of the names mentioned currently have an NRA #1 rating and this does not make sense under any situation short of treason. Long live the reputation of McCain and Graham as turncoats and traitors on the side of socialism for ever. We in SC are currently seeing a Blitzkrieg of media adds referring to Graham as a champion of the conservative cause at the same time he serves as a traitor in the senate.

[Guest Texas Jack Black]

This is about 2014, the polls show that most Americans want background checks If the Republicans look like they do not care about the children they will be crushed in the 2014 fight .Chess, this is chess, background checks is a small price to pay in order to keep the house and maybe get the Senate.Just think what we could lose if the Dems. win both the House and the Senate.

[Slowhand Bob, 24229]

I know this is not a popular line of thought now days but I think there is a Satan and I think he would overwhelmingly support selling ones sole to promote ones position! If there is ever a ticket with McCain or Graham running against Obama in the future, I would refuse to vote. At least a snake is known for what it is and I am sure there are a few Americans left who recognise all three names mentioned for what they are. Go back and check to see who were the first Republicans to break ranks on Obama care and check their positions now. I fear you will not be very happy with how things are about to unfold in Washington over the next few months we are now being manipulated with supposed placating reports until time for things to happen quickly. I really wish that the SASS Wire kept its search results longer so that people could keep up with their past opinions, honestly.

[Chicken Rustler, SASS #26680]

The chess analogy only works if you put the same value on a pawn as you do on your rights. Maybe background checks will lead to registration, maybe they will enable something else to be done that could lead to registration later, or maybe they're the best idea we've come up with in a long time. Whichever one you believe, we're not talking about the same strategies as a chess game or the same stakes as a chess game.

[Guest Texas Jack Black]

The chess analogy only works if you put the same value on a pawn as you do on your rights. Maybe background checks will lead to registration, maybe they will enable something else to be done that could lead to registration later, or maybe they're the best idea we've come up with in a long time. Whichever one you believe, we're not talking about the same strategies as a chess game or the same stakes as a chess game.

Kingdoms have been won and lost over a chess game History books state this.I will take my chances and look foeward to 2014.

[Slowhand Bob, 24229]

And many empires were lost by those who waited for that which never happened. Every chess game that was ever lost was lost one move at the time until there was no place left for a king to run. The truth is, our plight will already be determined by mid-terms, check mate!

[Waxahachie Kid #17017 L]

I think New York's voters have the problem...a lack of studying and knowing the history of the United States, and the mindset of the Founding Fathers, for how else can those people be elected to office, over, and over, and over again, unless the voters are willfully ignorant of our history, or just don't bother to vote? The old saying is true, we are "destroyed for lack of knowledge", and it will only get worse, in the future, as parents are not seeing to the education of their children. Human nature doesn't change. What the Founding Fathers faced, and ultimately did, is still as relevant today as it was then. Back then there was a hot debate among the delegates as to if the second amendment should actually be first. Many wanted it to be first, but it is significant that it was in the top two!

Read, study, and vote, and teach your kids to do the same. It is the parents responsibility to educate their children, not the "village".

This is just one more sign, in a long list of signs, that we are losing our freedom, through willful ignorance.

If you go to any of the Founding Fathers' graves, and bend down, you will hear them rolling in their graves.

[Guest Texas Jack Black]

And many empires were lost by those who waited for that which never happened. Every chess game that was ever lost was lost one move at the time until there was no place left for a king to run. The truth is, our plight will already be determined by mid-terms, check mate!

You may play chess one move at a time .I on the hand have many moves thought out and planned ahead of time and adjust as the game is played out.

[T. H. O' Sullivan]

This is about 2014, the polls show that most Americans want background checks.

I keep hearing about background checks, like they're not being done now. All these Americans wanting background checks? Have they never bought a new firearm before from a gun store? I buy a firearm off Gunbroker and it's shipped to a dealer in New Mexico. I get a NICS check. I walk into the local gun store and select a gun to buy, I get a NICS check. This is crap legislation pushed by people who are either stupid, or have some other hidden agenda. I suspect a combination of both. We don't need background checks, we already have them. All of this hysteria legislation is smoke and mirrors fooling the non-gun owning segment of the population.

[Guest Texas Jack Black]

I keep hearing about background checks, like they're not being done now. All these Americans wanting background checks? Have they never bought a new firearm before from a gun store? I buy a firearm off Gunbroker and it's shipped to a dealer in New Mexico. I get a NICS check. I walk into the local gun store and select a gun to buy, I get a NICS check. This is crap legislation pushed by people who are either stupid, or have some other hidden agenda. I suspect a combination of both. We don't need background checks, we already have them. All of this hysteria legislation is smoke and mirrors fooling the non-gun owning segment of the population.

You are correct, Let them pass a so called background check It would be meaningless if all we get is what we already have .Sort of foolish I agree. Then the Dems and Republicans can tout that they passed comprehensive gun legislation.

[Badlands Beady]

 

 

I buy a firearm off Gunbroker and it's shipped to a dealer in New Mexico. I get a NICS check. I walk into the local gun store and select a gun to buy, I get a NICS check.

You go to a gun show and sell a gun to another attendee, a perfect stranger, without a NICS check, both of you standing two feet from a dealer who's doing NICS checks on everyone he sells to. Or, someone you've never met before answers an ad in the local newspaper, comes to your house (or meets you in a parking lot) and buys your gun without a NICS check. Two days later he guns down five people and the press reports that he bought the gun from you without a background check.

 

Getting back to the subject, I think even the pro-SAFE Act folk are starting to think it's a flawed law, rushed into effect with too little consideration. Another six months, I think it'll either be repealed in whole or amended to the point where it doesn't resemble its original form at all.

[T. H. O' Sullivan]

You go to a gun show and sell a gun to another attendee, a perfect stranger, without a NICS check, both of you standing two feet from a dealer who's doing NICS checks on everyone he sells to. Or, someone you've never met before answers an ad in the local newspaper, comes to your house (or meets you in a parking lot) and buys your gun without a NICS check. Two days later he guns down five people and the press reports that he bought the gun from you without a background check.

You are correct. Two people meet at that same Gun Show, one buying, the other selling. They walk outside to the parking lot and the transaction is done out of the trunk of a Buick. All the legislation in the world wouldn't stop these transactions. The only thing that would stop the Craigslist or newspaper ads advertising the sale of firearms would be the ATF showing up at private homes and busting the seller and buyer. This would just move such activity underground. I still think that if we ever get to massive gun control/registration, we would enter a period similar to Prohibition, with an underground economy in guns, firearms Speakeasys, etc.

[Badlands Beady]

 

I still think that if we ever get to massive gun control/registration, we would enter a period similar to Prohibition, with an underground economy in guns, firearms Speakeasys, etc.

 

 

On that, I at least partially agree with you. Prohibition doesn't work, regulation works better (not perfectly, but better). Whether we should give up entirely on regulation because it doesn't work perfectly is where you and I disagree. Many drugs, for example, are regulated and are nevertheless more-or-less freely available "underground." Are the efforts to enforce drug regulation wasted? I'd say No. It's one reason I'm in favor of legalizing (not just decriminalizing) marijuana. Note, this is just an example and not meant to divert the conversation.

[Virgil Ray Hality, SASS# 37355]

So, you post a fore sale for a part for a 73. Buyer calls looking for a whole 73. just so happpens you have one. Now what?

 

ooops... the proposed Schumer legislation failed again. BTW we need to tack his untrustworthy name all over this crap.

[Badlands Beady]

Both of you go to the nearest gun store and have the dealer run the NICS. Figure the dealer's fee into the cost of the gun.

[Virgil Ray Hality, SASS# 37355]

Go read the way the proposal is written... There are loop holes...