Apparently gun cases are not good

[Eyesa Horg]

10 hours ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

 

If a LEO is in a situation where he's going through a case and a half of ammo something is seriously wrong.  

But he's fending them off!!

[Texas Maverick]

On 12/17/2024 at 1:37 PM, bgavin said:

Yep.

 

I figure it would probably get sticky if the cop asks point blank if you have firearms in the vehicle.
I drive a Tacoma access cab, and put my case(s) behind the seat, covered fully with a packing blanket.

 

If they want to search my vehicle, I will surrender my time and insist they get a warrant and probable cause.

I won't lie to the cop if he asks, but that does put me into a spot.

 

If you have a CHL permit you must present to officer if stopped when you show him your DL in the state of Texas. He knows instantly that you probably have at least 1 gun on or around you. If you don't it is gonna go bad for you. 

 

TM

[Alpo]

39 minutes ago, Texas Maverick said:

If you have a CHL permit you must present to officer if stopped when you show him your DL. He knows instantly that you probably have at least 1 gun on or around you. If you don't it is gonna go bad for you. 

 

TM

I'm assuming that you're talking about your state laws. Just remember there are 50 states plus DC plus a couple or three territories, and they all have their own laws.

 

Maybe in your state you have to immediately inform the cops, but in the free state that I live in it ain't the cop's business what I got or don't got, and I do not have to immediately inform the officer.

[Texas Maverick]

1 hour ago, Alpo said:

I'm assuming that you're talking about your state laws. Just remember there are 50 states plus DC plus a couple or three territories, and they all have their own laws.

 

Maybe in your state you have to immediately inform the cops, but in the free state that I live in it ain't the cop's business what I got or don't got, and I do not have to immediately inform the officer.

that is correct. It is the Texas state law you have to pass your CHL over with your DL if stopped. I will correct my post to show this.

 

Thanks

 

TM

[bgavin]

I don't have a CCW permit.
I'm just a private citizen wondering how to respond to a cop attempting to invade my vehicle with questions then a search.

One of my shooting group is an attorney who tries these cases.
He says it all comes down to "probable cause".

I'm not doing anything illegal, nor carrying anything illegal.

I just don't want to be screwed with by a cop willing to overstep his bounds.

[Alpo]

9 minutes ago, Texas Maverick said:

that is correct. It is the Texas state law you have to pass your CHL over with your DL if stopped. I will correct my post to show this.

 

Thanks

 

TM

Since Texas did away with the requirement to have a concealed weapons permit, back in 2021, what does that do to the duty to inform?

[John Kloehr]

6 minutes ago, Alpo said:

Since Texas did away with the requirement to have a concealed weapons permit, back in 2021, what does that do to the duty to inform?

Duty To Inform still applies to permit holders. Also those under 21 with a protective order must present a copy of the order with the LTC.

 

Duty To Inform does not seem to apply (Just not mentioned) to permit-less carry.

 

This from: https://guides.sll.texas.gov/gun-laws/license-to-carry

[Texas Maverick]

2 hours ago, Alpo said:

Since Texas did away with the requirement to have a concealed weapons permit, back in 2021, what does that do to the duty to inform?

Only if you have the actual permit. The db shows your a CHL so the officers know and you are required to show the permit and let them know if you are carrying. The others are optional. Having the permit allows us to get our guns faster at checkout and a few other bennies I guess like carrying over state line to states that honor our permit, access to some establishments that don't recognize non-permitted gun owners, etc.

 

TM

[Texas Maverick]

2 hours ago, John Kloehr said:

Duty To Inform still applies to permit holders. Also those under 21 with a protective order must present a copy of the order with the LTC.

 

Duty To Inform does not seem to apply (Just not mentioned) to permit-less carry.

 

This from: https://guides.sll.texas.gov/gun-laws/license-to-carry

Correct.

 

TM

[Texas Maverick]

2 hours ago, bgavin said:

I don't have a CCW permit.
I'm just a private citizen wondering how to respond to a cop attempting to invade my vehicle with questions then a search.

One of my shooting group is an attorney who tries these cases.
He says it all comes down to "probable cause".

I'm not doing anything illegal, nor carrying anything illegal.

I just don't want to be screwed with by a cop willing to overstep his bounds.

I spent over 12 years in law enforcement in Oklahoma and Colorado and the majority of the officers are good guys. We did have a few with what we called the John Wayne syndrome and we tried to weed them out ourselves. They were the kind that would get us into fights or worse because of their swagger and thinking their were invincible. We didn't want them near any of our calls if we could help it. Most after a time got the idea we were not happy with their attitude and would take the hint and find other employment elsewhere. Some we even were able to get moved to dispatch and off the streets.

 

TM

[Alpo]

So you, Texas Maverick, with a permit. You get stopped by a cop. Doesn't matter whether you got your gun or not. You have to tell him you got a permit. Right?

 

But Skeeter Skelton, ex-cattle rancher down in Deaf Smith County, who is carrying without a permit, does not have to inform. Right?

 

Strange laws.

 

How about the 30/06. Does it only apply to people with a permit or does it apply to everybody? If the sign is posted, correctly, then I can't carry in that business whether or not I have a permit?

 

Also the 30/07, which applies to carrying openly? Same thing? Whether I got paper or not, if the sign is posted correctly I cannot carry?

[Cowtown Scout, SASS #53540 L]

I believe if you read the link provided by JK you will see the duty to inform is only required of permit holders WHEN they are actually carrying.

[Eyesa Horg]

Pretty amazing how ONE of our Constitutional rights can be so different from state to state, but the rest pretty much remain equal everywhere. 

[Buckshot Bob]

3 hours ago, Eyesa Horg said:

Pretty amazing how ONE of our Constitutional rights can be so different from state to state, but the rest pretty much remain equal everywhere. 

The second amendment is definitely treated as a second class right. You definitely don’t hear many saying you can’t use the current technology to exercise your first amendment rights but many in the media, government and anti gun groups would gladly limit us to smooth bore flintlocks if they could using their flawed logic. Plus now they are saying the quiet part out loud that they don’t really care for the first amendment either. The internet definitely has had bad impacts on society but the free exchange of information and ideas isn’t one of them. Unless you are in the business of controlling people 

[John Kloehr]

4 hours ago, Alpo said:

... if the sign is posted correctly I cannot carry?

Yes, quite simple and respects the right of a private property owner to exclude firearms. Only works for lawful carriers, but still the property owner's right to exclude.

 

Your right as a customer is to go elsewhere. Also under the 1st amendment, you have the right to leave a "no guns, no money" business card notice at the entrance.

[John Kloehr]

Right to privacy in California is another matter:

 

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20240513/ninth-circuit-upholds-california-law-allowing-gun-owners-private-data-to-be-shared-with-research-institutions-in-nra-ila-supported-case

 

Ninth Circuit Upholds California Law Allowing Gun Owners’ Private Data to be Shared with Research Institutions in NRA-ILA-Supported Case

 

Seems privacy rights are also second class rights if the information involves firearm owners. And not just the Federal Constitution as to the Bill of Rights, also to the California Constitution which specifically codified protection for exactly this kind of information. So the actual law guaranteeing privacy for this collected information also does not matter... Because the 9th Circuit did an interest balancing test and found the sharing law constitutional... And not a violation of the US Constitution or the California State Constitution, or the text of the law collecting the information which prohibited sharing in the first place.

[Rip Snorter]

Sign at Costco for the first time out here.  We are Executive Members.  They just lost my share of our purchases. No, they would never see my gun, and in Montana, worst case, I would be asked to leave.  My Wife commented, "if you ever needed to draw your gun, their sign would be the least of it."  I may write the manager, though well run, their org shades Left, so it is what it is.

[John Kloehr]

36 minutes ago, Rip Snorter said:

Sign at Costco for the first time out here.  We are Executive Members.  They just lost my share of our purchases. No, they would never see my gun, and in Montana, worst case, I would be asked to leave.  My Wife commented, "if you ever needed to draw your gun, their sign would be the least of it."  I may write the manager, though well run, their org shades Left, so it is what it is.

I would find a way to let corporate know.

 

I let Whole Paycheck Foods manager (if I run into him) know whenever I shop there that I am complying with the sign but would purchase more and likely more often if they got rid of the signs.

 

I recognize the company has a right to exclude. Nothing wrong with offering an opinion they are wrong. Just do it respectfully and sanely, do not feed their fear, they need to see we law-abiding citizens are not the problem and not that our potential shooting the bad guys is the solution, but rather our simple armed presence is the deterrent. I think that might even work at schools and places of worship, you know, like laws from the founding allowed for, of not actually mandated.

 

On edit: The store does carry a few items which are not available elsewhere locally, so they get that business because it is an added value. But milk? Other items available at my local grocery store which is not signed? I'll make the separate trip and vote with my dollars for most of my grocery list. Whole Foods and Amazon are leaving a lot of money on the table because of this policy.