Jason_Adams Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Hello everyone, I was wondering if anyone has any experience with the 209 conversation for the 1858 Remington? Don't take this the wrong way, but please only respond if you have experience with this type of conversation yourself. Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 I have somewhat extensive experience regarding the conversations regarding the approval of the Anvil Conversions. Note that their website contains the following disclaimer: Please note we only deliver firearms or components within the UK I am not personally aware of any U.S. company (or individual) that has converted percussion revolvers to use shotgun primers. (feel free to report this reply to the moderators if you feel it is irrelevant to your question) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason_Adams Posted July 6 Author Share Posted July 6 11 minutes ago, PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L said: I have somewhat extensive experience regarding the conversations regarding the approval of the Anvil Conversions. Note that their website contains the following disclaimer: Please note we only deliver firearms or components within the UK I am not personally aware of any U.S. company (or individual) that has converted percussion revolvers to use shotgun primers. (feel free to report this reply to the moderators if you feel it is irrelevant to your question) Thank you very much for the comment. Do you like it? And did it change reliability any? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 5 minutes ago, Jason_Adams said: Thank you very much for the comment. Do you like it? And did it change reliability any? I was referring to the conversations (i.e. discussions) among the members of the ROC (Range Operations Committee) regarding the approval of the British conversion cylinders and revolvers back in 2022. I use Remington #10 caps on my percussion revolvers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yul Lose Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 1 hour ago, Jason_Adams said: Hello everyone, I was wondering if anyone has any experience with the 209 conversation for the 1858 Remington? Don't take this the wrong way, but please only respond if you have experience with this type of conversation yourself. Thanks in advance. Guess I have to ask, are you referring to a 209 conversion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason_Adams Posted July 6 Author Share Posted July 6 15 minutes ago, Yul Lose said: Guess I have to ask, are you referring to a 209 conversion? Yes sir. That's correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason_Adams Posted July 6 Author Share Posted July 6 39 minutes ago, PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L said: I was referring to the conversations (i.e. discussions) among the members of the ROC (Range Operations Committee) regarding the approval of the British conversion cylinders and revolvers back in 2022. I use Remington #10 caps on my percussion revolvers. Nice. I've debated on using the 1851's, but I have more experience with the 1858 style. Although, I have to say, an 1860 really looks nice also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 7 minutes ago, Jason_Adams said: Nice. I've debated on using the 1851's, but I have more experience with the 1858 style. Although, I have to say, an 1860 really looks nice also. I've used all three in the past. I prefer the Remingtons these days for Frontiersman and Plainsman due to the ease of swapping out pre-charged (uncapped) cylinders between stages. It basically comes down to personal preference based on how the grips fit/feel in your hand when firing. Other factors include caliber and barrel length. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason_Adams Posted July 6 Author Share Posted July 6 11 minutes ago, PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L said: I've used all three in the past. I prefer the Remingtons these days for Frontiersman and Plainsman due to the ease of swapping out pre-charged (uncapped) cylinders between stages. It basically comes down to personal preference based on how the grips fit/feel in your hand when firing. Other factors include caliber and barrel length. That's a great idea! Having preloaded cylinders would really make the loading sequence much shorter. Do you see very many people using the paper cartridges? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Just now, Jason_Adams said: That's a great idea! Having preloaded cylinders would really make the loading sequence much shorter. Do you see very many people using the paper cartridges? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 i actuallu own and shoot an 1858 conversion i got from taylors , its great , but i have nothing for the conversations on the 209 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason_Adams Posted July 6 Author Share Posted July 6 10 hours ago, PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L said: No. That's something I've thought about utilizing. It seems like it would be a good alternative when not using a cartridge gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason_Adams Posted July 6 Author Share Posted July 6 10 hours ago, watab kid said: i actuallu own and shoot an 1858 conversion i got from taylors , its great , but i have nothing for the conversations on the 209 I really like those and suspect I will eventually buy a couple as well. I like having the option to switch to cartridges. Especially, if a match is during a rain storm. The 1858 can sealed fairly well, but the conversation cylinder just gives me a higher degree of certainty. Have you ran into any issues with them? Do you use the swingout loading gate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eliphalet R. Moderator Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 I have not seen a 209 conversion made for U.S. distribution. Thankfully, the supplies of percussion caps seem to be flowing again. I too have enough cylinders to shoot a 6-stage match. But, I went with stainless steel, so I just rinse the cylinders and put them in the sonic cleaner afterward. Done. I no longer mess with rolling paper cartridges. On Fleabay, I found some rubber seals for the rear and front of the cylinders, cheap. Because sure enough, you will shoot a multiday match with at least one day in the rain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 6 hours ago, Eliphalet R. Moderator said: I have not seen a 209 conversion made for U.S. distribution. Thankfully, the supplies of percussion caps seem to be flowing again. I too have enough cylinders to shoot a 6-stage match. But, I went with stainless steel, so I just rinse the cylinders and put them in the sonic cleaner afterward. Done. I no longer mess with rolling paper cartridges. On Fleabay, I found some rubber seals for the rear and front of the cylinders, cheap. Because sure enough, you will shoot a multiday match with at least one day in the rain. There is an US company that makes a 209 primer conversion for Ruger Old Armys'. I doubt it would be considered SASS legal as it requires an external modification to the cylinder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 On 7/6/2024 at 8:44 AM, Jason_Adams said: I really like those and suspect I will eventually buy a couple as well. I like having the option to switch to cartridges. Especially, if a match is during a rain storm. The 1858 can sealed fairly well, but the conversation cylinder just gives me a higher degree of certainty. Have you ran into any issues with them? Do you use the swingout loading gate? ive had a lot of human issues with mine - i dont have the dexterity in switchin cylinders and loading that others that shoot BP do because i only shoot mine a few times a year , i do not have a loading gate - i have the replacement cylinder that fits a BP revolver , but dang its fun shooting these , ive since gotten a 22cal cylinder for an 1851 as well as a 38cal cylinder for my an 1851 and i have a 45 conversion for an 1860 -- thinking on ne for my walker too , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Questions.... 1. I assume that with the much larger hole the 209's need, you have to use paper cartridges. Loose powder would pour out of an unprimed cylinder. Is this assumption correct? 2. Other than availability, what is the reason for using 209's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 28 minutes ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said: Questions.... 1. I assume that with the much larger hole the 209's need, you have to use paper cartridges. Loose powder would pour out of an unprimed cylinder. Is this assumption correct? NO...the nipples are modified to prevent that. Somewhat similar to some in-line muzzleloading rifles (e.g.Traditions Evolution) 2. Other than availability, what is the reason for using 209's? Percussion cap shortages and conversion of the revolvers to nitro (smokeless) powder where CARTRIDGE-FIRING ARMS are highly restricted or banned. Go to the link mentioned in the first reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 Thanks for the info. Quite fascinating. The idea of a safe for smokeless muzzle loader is an intriguing one. To bad there are none on the market here. I think it'd be fun to try, even if I had no use for it in a SASS match. Novelties are always interesting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 3 hours ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said: Thanks for the info. Quite fascinating. The idea of a safe for smokeless muzzle loader is an intriguing one. To bad there are none on the market here. I think it'd be fun to try, even if I had no use for it in a SASS match. Novelties are always interesting! I don't think anyone said anything about it being safe for smokeless. edit: I stand corrected, it's in the link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 42 minutes ago, Abilene, SASS # 27489 said: I don't think anyone said anything about it being safe for smokeless. If you go to the provided link, that company has a process to make the conversions safe for smokeless. It includes reducing the capacity of the chambers, as well as having such converted revolvers proof-tested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGT. ELI 35882 GUNFIGHTER Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 Ruff Kut is using 209s in his Ruger Old Armies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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