H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 I was fiddling with my new (to me) Ithaca SxS in 16 gauge, and I discovered something. That odd clicking sound I heard when opening it was not the internal hammers being cocked, as I had assumed. It was the ejector popping itself backwards. To quote the Shooter's Handbook... "Any side-by-side or single shot shotgun typical of the period from approximately 1860 until 1899 with or without external hammers, having single or double triggers is allowed. Automatic ejectors are allowed on single shot break action, lever, and pump action shotguns ONLY. Side-by-side shotguns may not use automatic ejectors." That means I can't use the gun. Oh well, not really a problem, I have plenty of other options. I am curious though, has it ever been said why this is the rule? I mean, the rules are the rules, and that's fine. But I am wondering if there is a reason behind this rule, or if it's another "just because" one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Spade Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 The ejectors can be easily disabled and made to just extract which is perfectly legal. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 1992 SHB p.9 Single shots without ejector were added in 2002 Ejectors for single shots were added in 2009 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Foot Johnson Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 Here's a bit of an enigma. These are not ejectors, but rather full-length extractors. The Darne was also made with ejectors in the form of spring loaded pins in the breech face that throw the empties off to each side as they clear the chambers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted June 14 Author Share Posted June 14 1 hour ago, PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L said: 1992 SHB p.9 Single shots without ejector were added in 2002 Ejectors for single shots were added in 2009 The quote I posted in my original post, I got from the link on the SASS home page. But, there is something in your post that intrigues me. "Any pump shotgun with an exposed hammer (i.e. Winchester 95 or Marlen model 16 except the military configuration of such guns.)" Does this mean that the Burgess is legal? It fits the definition of "Any pump shotgun with an exposed hammer" The Marlin 16.... That's a member of the Marlin 98 family. Has it been unbanned, or just this specific model? I am confused. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted June 14 Author Share Posted June 14 3 hours ago, Jack Spade said: The ejectors can be easily disabled and made to just extract which is perfectly legal. Yeah, I know some people do that. I have considered it, but I am not sure if I wanna mess with it. I'll give it some consideration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 3 hours ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said: But I am wondering if there is a reason behind this rule, or if it's another "just because" one. When I first started, (1985), it was seen as a way for '97 users to keep up with the side-by-side users. The most common method for '97 users was to drop one thru the ejection port onto the carrier, close the action and shove one into the magazine from the bottom. I believe it was Tequila who perfected and popularized the grabbing two, and loading each in turn thru the ejection port... further re-enforced by Evil Roy. In those days, even fast '97 shooters couldn't keep up with the fast shotgun shooters like Midway or Montana Dan. Without ejectors it forces a side-by-side shooter to either jerk the shotgun quickly to dislodge fired hulls or twisting the gun to drop the empties. Hope that's a clear enough description. The ban on Marlin pumps post-dated that 1992 quote from PWB... either later that year or early 1993 as I recall. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 1 hour ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said: The quote I posted in my original post, I got from the link on the SASS home page. But, there is something in your post that intrigues me. "Any pump shotgun with an exposed hammer (i.e. Winchester 95 or Marlen model 16 except the military configuration of such guns.)" s/b Winchester 97 or Marlin Model 16 Does this mean that the Burgess is legal? NO. It fits the definition of "Any pump shotgun with an exposed hammer" The Marlin 16.... That's a member of the Marlin 98 family. Has it been unbanned, or just this specific model? NO. I am confused. Obviously. Look at the DATE on that screenshot. Then go to the CURRENT version of the SHB...page 38 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted June 14 Author Share Posted June 14 4 hours ago, PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L said: Look at the DATE on that screenshot. Then go to the CURRENT version of the SHB...page 38 AH! Okay. Sorry, I missed that somehow. Nice to see historical info though. (Gee, I feel silly right now.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Clark Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 9 hours ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said: Yeah, I know some people do that. I have considered it, but I am not sure if I wanna mess with it. I'll give it some consideration. Incredibly self centered response IMO! Just deactivate your ejectors and move on with the game. I’m sure your Ithaca SxS is VERY special….. but the reality is that it’s not. If it bothers you that deeply, get a less highly prized alley howitzer and retire that Safe queen to the dark recesses of your favorite gun safe! GEESH! Remember …. IJAFG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted June 15 Author Share Posted June 15 2 hours ago, Captain Clark said: Incredibly self centered response IMO! Just deactivate your ejectors and move on with the game. I’m sure your Ithaca SxS is VERY special….. but the reality is that it’s not. If it bothers you that deeply, get a less highly prized alley howitzer and retire that Safe queen to the dark recesses of your favorite gun safe! GEESH! Remember …. IJAFG Boy, what a grouch. I know full well that there is nothing "special" about this gun. I also know that my own skills as a home gunsmith are rather limited. I am hesitant because I'm afraid I'd break something, and I am merely recognizing my own limitations with a screwdriver. I guess admitting that you don't trust yourself makes you self centered? Oh, and is it too much to ask that people not throw out a bunch of initials without defining them first? What the heck is IJAFG? Good grief. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 It's Just A (Fun) Game 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Clark Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 11 hours ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said: Boy, what a grouch. I know full well that there is nothing "special" about this gun. I also know that my own skills as a home gunsmith are rather limited. I am hesitant because I'm afraid I'd break something, and I am merely recognizing my own limitations with a screwdriver. I guess admitting that you don't trust yourself makes you self centered? Oh, and is it too much to ask that people not throw out a bunch of initials without defining them first? What the heck is IJAFG? Good grief. So sad that you start your response with the disparaging name nonsense! As far as your lack of gunplumber talent level, Why didn’t you just say that from the get go? There’s several competent gun smiths out there that would chime in to give you a hand. IJFAG is an Acronym for……... It’s Just A Freakin Game, or some variation of Good Grief yourself! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 Nothing to see here folks... Just a couple of whose wire's strung too tight. 3 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Painted Mohawk SASS 77785 Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 Now an Aussie will just plain up & tell 'ya what the F' means in IJAFG .......never waste a good swear word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted June 17 Author Share Posted June 17 4 hours ago, Painted Mohawk SASS 77785 said: Now an Aussie will just plain up & tell 'ya what the F' means in IJAFG .......never waste a good swear word. Yeah, that'll just SNAFU the whole works. Situation Normal All Fouled Up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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