Subdeacon Joe Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 There was no other information provided, unfortunately. It would be interesting to know if the ring got there by trade, by Viking raid on mohammedeans, raids on people who traded with them, or what. "This ring was discovered on a woman buried around 1,200 years ago in Birka, an ancient Viking city located 30 km (19 miles) west of contemporary Stockholm, Sweden. What sets this ring apart is the inscription "for Allah" in Kufic Arabic, commonly used between the 8th and 10th centuries. It provides evidence of direct contact between Vikings and the Abbasid Caliphate, the third caliphate succeeding the Islamic prophet Muhammad." 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 2 hours ago, Subdeacon Joe said: It provides evidence of direct contact between Vikings and the Abbasid Caliphate, Author is making an erroneous assumption. The presence of the ring alone proves nothing about how it got there. It could have gotten there via direct contact or indirectly through any number of people. There are any number of ways that ring could have wound up in the grave. And none can be proven or disproven. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted February 26 Author Share Posted February 26 1 hour ago, Sedalia Dave said: Author is making an erroneous assumption. The presence of the ring alone proves nothing about how it got there. It could have gotten there via direct contact or indirectly through any number of people. There are any number of ways that ring could have wound up in the grave. And none can be proven or disproven. Yep. As I said I my own comments before the quote, 3 hours ago, Subdeacon Joe said: It would be interesting to know if the ring got there by trade, by Viking raid on mohammedeans, raids on people who traded with them, or what. It could have been taken as a prize after the Battle of Tours, traded in Marseilles, sold in Coesica, bartered to an English trader, and then taken in a Viking raid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Louis Suomi SASS #31905 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 Probably a prize in a tin of Surströmming. STL Suomi 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlands Bob #61228 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 Those Vikings were sailing all over the place and looting/trading stuff back then. It probably has an interesting story to tell if it could only talk. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chantry Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 Or perhaps a member of the Varangian Guard sent a trinket back to a relative https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varangian_Guard 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Bear Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 3 hours ago, St. Louis Suomi SASS #31905 said: Probably a prize in a tin of Surströmming. STL Suomi Love watching stinky fish challenges. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 While we think of the Vikings as Atlantic raiders mostly, at the same time they were heading down the Eastern European rivers en masse. Usually called Varangians in that context. Russia ultimately was founded at Kiev by Rurik, a Varangian. Scandinavian soldiers guarded the Emperor at Constantinople. There is famous Viking rune graffiti in Hagia Sophia. They could have come into contact with Moslems in many ways in those times. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 14 hours ago, Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619 said: While we think of the Vikings as Atlantic raiders mostly, at the same time they were heading down the Eastern European rivers en masse. Usually called Varangians in that context. Russia ultimately was founded at Kiev by Rurik, a Varangian. Scandinavian soldiers guarded the Emperor at Constantinople. There is famous Viking rune graffiti in Hagia Sophia. They could have come into contact with Moslems in many ways in those times. Kievan Rus , First eastern Slavic state. It was founded by the Viking Oleg, ruler of Novgorod from c. 879, who seized Smolensk and Kiev (882), which became the capital of Kievan Rus. Extending his rule, Oleg united local Slavic and Finnish tribes, defeated the Khazars, and, in 911, arranged trade agreements with Constantinople. Kievan Rus peaked in the 10th and 11th centuries under Vladimir I and Yaroslav, becoming eastern Europe’s chief political and cultural centre. At Yaroslav’s death in 1054, his sons divided the empire into warring factions. The 13th-century Mongol conquest decisively ended its power. St Vladimir is the patron saint of Russia. His statue is in Ukraine. Before his 1000th anniversary happened, Vladimir Putin had a bigger statue erected in Moscow. read https://www.npr.org/2022/06/02/1101918984/volodymyr-vs-vladimir-how-rival-statues-explain-the-russia-ukraine-conflict for more about the competing statues, the differing narratives, etc. Vladimir brought Christianity to the Russians. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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